That’s where you need to distinguish what kind of ,privacy’’ are we talking about. Are we talking about hiding from government, or we are talking about hiding from greedy companies selling our data & wanting to know everything about us to serve us the ads. If you are willing to hide from the govt - good luck, you basically need to get rid of all of the wireless devices, phones as first, because cellular network is tracking everyone every time simply by just checking to which towers your device is connecting & triangulating all the signals. That’s when you need to air gap devices.
If are talking about hiding from greedy companies trying to get all of our data (or criminals), then that’s the place for CalyxOS, GrapheneOS, SailfishOS and all of the other Open Source mobile & desktop OSes.
They are made to be just an operating system meant to run software you need & to not stand in your way when you are willing to use them - you are the owner & admin here.
It’s that the first thing is not possible, it’s just completely different thing, and pretty much requires to not use cellular network connected devices (or at least in mobile).
Also this Minix is running on Intel X86 CPUs as Intel Management Engine & on AMD CPUs there is a PSP.
I don’t like the term hiding to be honest.
I just don’t like my every move to be recorded by random companies trying to build my profile to make money, and use my data however they feel like. I am not hiding from anyone or anything.
There will be some exposure, there will be some data given willingly if there’s no other choice, but I’m happy knowing that I limit my exposure to a reasonable amount and by design.
And that aside, I feel much better using an OS that doesn’t rely on telemetry data, selling me services to share even more data, and shares data with US/CN.
Privacy doesn’t have to be extreme and absolute, It just has to fit with your ideals and ethics. Then it’s up to you to decide what and with whom you share with.
…privacy is a right, that all of the companies are actively taking away from us - we just try to reclaim it.
If a person does what this companies are doing - it’s called stalking. In most cases people don’t want to be stalked.
“I freaking want” is something very different from “that is the most privacy focused”… so what are u talking about? I did not say or ask “what is the best one for unlocking”.
AND the Jolla Phone is its own design, never designed to work with Android by itself anyway…
Maybe it works with AOSP, but it does not have to.
And I do not care for that anyway because only SFOS or maybe Ubuntu are the one I want to have… AOSP just supports Google again because they have the control over that more or less…
Did we get any info about the refresh rate of the display yet?
Or is it scheduled to be announced with the full specs when the rest of the payment is requested (at some point apparently)?
The Jolla Phone is reportedly going to feature a ~5500 mAh battery. This puts it ahead of mainstream flagship phones from Samsung, Apple and Google, even if it is “only” by 10%. To my knowledge only Chinese brands features more or even much more than that. As far as I know, all of them are using silicon carbide batteries, which aren’t used by (most?) non-Chinese mainstream brands, yet.
Is it save to assume that the Jolla Phone battery will be silicon carbon battery, or is it just a really unusual and untypically large traditional Li-ion battery for a mobile phone? I am asking merely out of curiosity.
More importantly though, does anyone know if Jolla will sell replacement batteries on their store?
You are mixing up things man.
There is no thing in smartphone space currently like
if it’s using widely available SoC and architecture. Jolla Phone is not going to be different than Motorola Edge 50 Neo, if it’s using off the shelf Mediatek & is not using some proprietary TPM module or something. It’s just the custom phone using common architecture - with a source code available you can 100% compile AOSP GSI image & run it like on any phone that runs Android, and vice versa with Sailfish OS - with all the drivers available & source code you could compile it to run on probably any phone that currently runs Android, it’s not magic - it’s just the case of software resources being available & work.
That’s how SFOS runs on Sony devices (besides the fact, that Halium is being used here, so Android drivers & few components). Currently SFOS could probably run of XA2 devices even with mainline Kernel, because sdm630 support was mainlined AFAIK, but that’s other topic.
Bootloader being unlockable is not a privacy thing, that’s real ownership (and schematics to repair a device you bought). Not a single SoC manufacturer cares for privacy, because they ship the chip, not a phone. They care about selling the chip and that’s it - unless I’m missing something.
What Qualcomm at least does, is they don’t prevent you from installing privacy respecting OS onto your device by forcing the bootloader to be locked by manufacturer (like Mediatek in many cases) & they provide kernel sources & firmware blobs.
My problem in case of Jolla Phone 2 not having BL unlockable is, that after 2 years there might be an option to switch to PostmarketOS or other linux distro, because for example - Jolla did not care to develop software in the way I cared or want, so then - I own the device, I can just run different OS that I like, if somebody managed to run it.
Most desirable devices in last 2 decades by people that cared about privacy, in most cases were the ones, that had bootloaders unlockable & for example on HTC HD2 they managed to run tons of software - from Linux, to Android, to old versions of Windows or other total crap.
How do you even think Jolla made Sony XA2 run SFOS?
I can tell you. It’s because besides crazy pricing Sony was cool about it and was providing needed libraries, and also because Qualcomm was also cool about it and was supplying Sony with needed firmware.
So I would say - I’m not against Mediatek, but out of all of this it seems to me, that Qualcomm would be the company, that is most privacy friendly - not focused, only friendly, because no company here is. Also ownership friendly.
The point of having a wireless chip you can actually fully turn off, and on most built-in ones stay active until you literally pull the battery, is that you get to decide when the utility of cellphone service outweighs the risk. Loading from ROM, turning it off will also wipes any hack. Which is not the case with built in ones that stay running when you turn off the device.
What makes Intel’s ME and AMD’s PSP far less of an issue is that they don’t communicate with the outside world. Only way to hack them is thru physical access to the device and in that case all bets are off anyway. Wireless chipsets on the other hand are what devices use communicate with the outside world so once they’re compromised all bets are off. Even more so when a hack may last the lifespan of the device and be almost completely undetectable by the OS.
As much as you like to push all those android derivatives, they’re all pretty amateur stuff in terms of privacy compared to the Librem 5 and similar devices. Maybe that’s why you’re so hellbent on craptalking it. So its just you being insecure. Sort of like how Windows sysadmins will endlessly craptalk Linux and Mac. Trying to find any excuse to keep them from their network and needing to confront the fact that they don’t know anywhere near as much as they think they do.
I am mixing up nothing. I see the first intention of the device. Of cause I know that the components are of the shelf, but the design itself in this constilation is in fact designed to be a SFOS device first. I never said it can not/it might not be possible to use it in a different way, but that is exactly why it is called Jolla Phone (J2 or whatever you want to call it) and why Jolla designed it.
With this device it is exactly the other way around compared to Sony Xperia 10 III for instance: It is not first off an device meant to run Android, but a device made to run Sailfish OS that CAN run AOSP. Both can work, still the fact that it is a SFOS device first and an AOSP device second is just a fact because the manufacturer releases it with SFOS, not Android.
And here is where you are mixing up things… This is what I am refering to. I never talked to you in the first place with my comments but you shined in telling me you like Snapdragon chips better because of unlockable bootloaders, etc. (which is fine and in that aspect I agree, but that is not part of the discussion I am answering too)
I do not see where I am argueing against ownership, right to repair or anything else. Do what you want and don’t like MediaTek or do like it… not my business.
I am just talking about the simple fact, which you even said yourself but droid.druid implies to be different:
Oh, sorry. The bit about the silicon battery is literally in the first post. For some reason I failed to catch it with the search function.
Regarding availability of spare batteries, it is not 100% clear to me but it does sound like it should be either in the store or available via support.
I’m sorry Fuchur, I mixed you up with @L_A_G
This conversation got so intense I just went to load a gun ( dear reader, it’s a joke, I hope you are aware) because if the pressure is gonna rise up, then we are going to shoot each other here.
For those that are interested in the performance of the Mediatek Dimensity 7100 after the experience of the Unisoc T606 in the C2, because there is now a released phone that uses the 7100 (the Infinix Note Edge) I was able to ask Nanoreview for a theoretical comparison:
