Thats just utterly nonsense. There is no gain by paying 1.5-5k for a phone as the hardware wont be much better for what people it use it daily. This is just the sickness of consumer market, where everyone needs a luxury item to be better then others. Which is in the end just hallow. Jolla does not need that hardware as it runs very well on just medium stuff and thats what I like too. Whatching videos or anything else should not be done on a smartphone anyway as your eyes go bad faster as if you watch it on a bigger screen.
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is there a medical evidence for this? What is the level of evidence?
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There is but it’s not related to screen size but distance from the eye.
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There for sure is but I dont have it. But if you think logical, the smaller a screen is and things on it the more an eye has to work to see it. This and the fact that screens make eyes bad anyway is pure fact. I know it from myself as well. Sitting daily infront of a screen even after work has reduced my sight faster then they should have.
I didn’t read the whole topic (come on, it’s 1204 posts), but I would say, that the biggest downside IMO of OLED is really high price. When you break OLED or AMOLED screen, the replacement one costs a lot (in case of Samsung phones AFAIK it was sometimes 50-70% of the costs of new device). However I’m looking at the Fairphone 6 display, and they are selling it for 89 euro, and it’s a P-OLED, so I guess that either OLED screens are cheaper now, or something other than that changed.
Motorola Phone with GOS is coming in this or next year. Sadly a flagship one. I would love for them to just make a Motorola Think Phone 2 type of device, but with Qualcomm SOC and put a GOS on it.
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Only the high end displays are actually expensive.
You can look at HMD skyline as well. The replacement part costed at launch 99€ and J2 display looks significantly cheaper than that.
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I see no correlation in cheating in a benchmark and having security problems/backdoors.
For benchmark cheating, we could also take a look at the automotive industry and their “1457813 km each full-battery charge” or the “3,5l/100km”.
Then it’s fine. As long as the user is not required to pay 200 euro for replacement screen, then I think it’s fair.
You trust Google more than MediaTek? One proven to be the biggest data seller on the planet with several close to monopoles and behaviour proven to be used against even starting competition and using its ecosystem to get rid of competition?
There are maybe 3 SOC manufactures worth mentioning I am aware of:
- Qualcom: Based in San Diego, USA
- MediaTek: Based in Hsinchu, Taiwan
- UniSoc: Shangahi, China
Samsung’s Exynos series is not easy to get and close to only available in Samsung devices or very close partner manufactures of Samsung. Apple Chips are not available outside of iPhones.
So of the viable options: Who would be more privacy focused here?
The US under Trump? UniSoc from China directly. MediaTek at least from Taiwan, where close to all of those manufactures produce anyway?
Or which one are you talking about?
Best regards
Fuchur
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A stone and a hard place comes to mind. I am fine with MediaTek given the choice available.
That’s not because the panel’s actually that expensive, its because Samsung, Apple, etc. only sell spare parts because of optics and being legally required in some countries. So to force people to buy a new phone rather than repair one they massively over-price spare parts. Repair shops used to save a lot of money by buying raw components for spare parts. Then companies like Apple and Samsung clamped down on that by using customized versions of parts changed only so much that they’re incompatible with the “generic” versions available to anyone but them.
Only exceptions to this are companies that try to differentiate by actually being pro right-to-repair like HMD or the company behind the Fairphone series.
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I would add NXP Semiconductors with its i.MX Series (American-Dutch, based in Eindhoven, Netherlands) which is probably the closest to mainline kernel (if it’s not already fully mainlined) but that’s probably wishful thinking.
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The i.MX series isn’t really a phone/tablet SoC and more just a generic embedded SoC meant for use in automotive applications. Those are lacking the built in cellphone network, WiFi and bluetooth chips, camera and microphone DSPs along with various other integrated things that make mobile devices based on them a lot less work to develop. Lets not get into how they’re a hellscape of badly documented binary blobs from a company almost actively hostile to open source.
Not that you literally can’t make a phone based on them. You very much can as the Librem crew have proven. However you do so with considerably more work and added complexity stemming from all the extra bits and pieces you need to include on the PCB because its not integrated into those SoCs.
But the final product is outdated on arrival. Especially their “Liberty Phone”.
Its a 5-year-old device already and the original Xperia 10 I put SailfishOS on around the time it came out had the same 4xA53 setup (albeit duplicated so that it could switch between a higher and lower clocked set). Their “freedom phone“ is just a version of it where they’ve made as much as they could in the U.S now that national self-reliance is in vogue again.
Mind you, being manufactured here in Finland played a major part in why I jumped on the Jolla 2 and paid a deposit on a device from the very first (customer) batch.
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I’m pretty sure there is most of the integrated elements you’re talking about (the choice of the exact i.MX8 chip had an impact on supported cellular network in the Neo900 project in particular) however, some of them might indeed be missing.
Regarding the target, it’s true that it’s more industrial applications but it also mean much better longevity.
In any case, it’s just wishful thinking as said initially even though I would really love to use an i.MX-based Sailfish OS phone as it does not require as much power as Android.
Specifically “Liberty Phone” is a 1-2 year old. With the same hardware as the original Librem 5 it’s definitely outdated before release
Jolla is better even if it was fully manufactured in China, since it has modern, while not the best hardware
Final assembly and flashing in Finland is just a bonus
I’m aware of this, I just never thought that Samsung was forcing the same policy as Apple when it comes to repair parts. I know they are doing every single wrong thing (for consumer) that Apple is getting away with…
Out of all of this companies as far as I know only 1 is allowing us to unlock the bootloader & put other OS on devices, and that’s Qualcomm. I would get Motorola Edge 50 Neo if bootloader was able to be unlocked & if Mediatek would publish all the source code/firmware stuff that’s needed to run AOSP or other OSes. But they don’t, and even in cases when people manage to unlock the bootloader nobody is doing ROMs like LineageOS for Mediatek devices, because MTK doesn’t publish source code or whatever that’s needed.
I’m not sure who asked me this, but somebody did say this in this topic or another with J2 in mind:
Why would you want to put different OS on Jolla Phone 2? Why do you want unlockable bootloader?
- The answer is: because I freaking want, and If I own the device I should be able to unlock all the locks and put whatever OS I want if I can. No matter what OS this device runs from the factory. It can run PotatoOS - as long as I’m buying the device, I should be able to put whatever code I want, and if manufacturer/developer used GPL code they are required to publish source code to all of the GPL code they used.
EDIT: I forgot to mention this… You know what other company is allowing us to unlock bootloader & use other OSes? Yeah, It’s Google. Big, evil, greedy Google…
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The whole point of the Librem is have a “privacy phone” that doesn’t rely on the usual supply chain and has the ability to go into a full on lockdown mode where the wireless hardware can totally shut down. Wireless chipsets (i.e the thing that handles cellphone, WiFi and Bluetooth connections) aren’t just dumb ASICs, they’re Turing complete systems running their own internal OSs, usually Minix, and there are proof of concept attacks like Broadpwn that exploit these. This is not code you can update after release and on devices with them built-in, you can’t turn them off.
I’m not kidding here. Wireless chipsets communicate with wireless networks independently, they’re remotely hackable in a way the OS has no way of detecting and when they’re built into the SoC, you literally can’t turn them off without turning off the entire device. In this regard the Jolla 2 is no more a “privacy phone” than an iPhone, Samsung Galaxy or Google Pixel.
Thus, you either build your device on something that doesn’t have a built-in hackable independent system or you’re not as much of a privacy phone as the Librem 5 set out to be. Around the time it was developed this was pretty much the best available.
Jos et ymmärrä että millainen laite Librem 5 on, niin ole huoleti. Se tarkoittaa vaan että se ei ole sulle ja sä voit vaan jatkaa ihan muiden laitteiden käyttöä. Se että ihmiset käyttää ja myy laitteita joita sä et ymmärrä ei tarkoita että niissä olisi jotain väärää. Sä et vaan tajuu ja se on ihan ok. Ei kaikkien tarvitse tajuta, vaan ne joille se on tarkoitettu.
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