Jolla Phone update - lights on, technical bits and the schedule

Hi there,

Time for a Jolla Phone update.

And it is booting up! As of late last week we got very first functional samples (we call it “CNC sample”) completed with the real mechanics, electronics, the SoC, modem, user-replaceable battery and everything together.

Very quickly from there we organised a two-day hackday in Tampere to pull it together, and happy to note that as a result we got it now booting up to the beautiful Sailfish UI! Wow!

Technical update

Let’s clarify some technical bits that have remained open for now:

  • The SoC is Mediatek Dimensity 7100 (MT6858). Booting up the Sailfish OS on it and having the initial UX feeling in our hands - oh boy it is fast! It will be the greatest Sailfish OS UX thus far and won’t be shy in comparison to popular Android devices
  • For the memory, we chose to go with a single-chip LPDDR4X RAM + UFS2.2 storage. While the memory prices are rallying like crazy, we managed to secure the initial batch with a purchase in end of January. The memory chips are made by Korean SK Hynix.
  • USB-C video out. Fitting this in is unlikely for now.
  • eSIM support was discussed in the recent FOSDEM Sailfish BoF and has been requested in the forum. While we don’t have it in the initial spec, we’re exploring the feasibility of eSIM to the current HW configuration and ways to enable it somehow down the road later. A normal solution requires eSIM specific IC in the HW configuration (requiring extra space again, even tho small but still very tight inside there!) but there also solutions where such IC is embedded inside a physical nanoSIM (!) - anyway, exploring the feasibility here and no promises!
  • High Brightness Mode (HBM) of the display, e.g. for outdoor use. While we have not done the final display module tunings and testing yet – we just booted up this week for the first time :slight_smile: , the module should support HBM. We will confirm this on due course.
  • As for the water resistance the product will cope in minimum with water dripping/drops. We will confirm IP-rating later once we conclude durability tests.

While we do follow the forum chats with utmost care, we may have missed some of the technical questions raised. Let’s use this thread to try clarify those, if any, to the extent possible for now. One such item is e.g. the supported Bluetooth codecs, for which we don’t have an answer yet - need to come back to that a bit later.

The Other Half

Let’s make it! The questionnaire has got very high attention and lots of discussion, innovation and ideas flourishing. It has given lots confidence also for us to think which TOH modules we could productize ourselves for a justified business case, and also plenty of room for interested community members to explore and make (and sell!) some modules themselves.

We’re happy to conclude it will make it to the product :rocket: :partying_face:

We aim to release the full specification during Q1/26 but as a sneak peak:

  • 7 pogo pins as follows
    • 5V_OUT (Phone → TOH)
    • GND
    • I3C_SCL (3.3 V logic, level-shifted from SoC 1.8 V)
    • I3C_SDA (3.3 V logic, level-shifted from SoC 1.8 V)
    • ID (resistor ladder → ADC on phone side)
    • INT (accessory → phone interrupt / wake line)
    • 5V_IN (TOH → Phone) - Similar to wireless charger input
  • The order of the pins will be finalized later, but currently those are planned to be in two columns, of 3 and 4 pins, as shown in above picture.
  • It will be using I3C in SDR mode, having theoretical maximum speed of 12.5Mbit/s. This is something we start verifying in next 1-2 months.
  • Full CAD pictures will be made available to enable 3D printing etc. experimenting

The program schedule

From now on, it is fairly straightforward to estimate the upcoming program schedule towards the shipments of the first batch:

  • February: CNC device samples, lights on, wake up the modem, battery management
  • March: start final payments collection, next round of of the PCBA, first samples with the real tooling (T1)
  • April - May: development, tunings, testing, hacking, bug squashing
  • May - June: antenna tuning and band verification, roadshow
  • end of June: mass production and shipping of the first batch

Let’s keep it coming and hack on! :sparkles: :sailboat:

( Added few pictures )

Edit: As we finally got some time to focus on the photos, here is a few more! Enjoy :heart:

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What wonderful news!! Thank you all!!
Reading your posts, I feel like I’m experiencing the first moments of this phone’s life right alongside you. Thank you for sharing!!

I can’t wait to get my hands on it!! :slight_smile:

Good luck to everyone, keep making us dream!! :wink:

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Since things have taken their course with the HW -when finalized- can we start a discussion about a phone (J3) that will not have the constrains this one has? Better be early.

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As a new boy, one who has not had to bear your pain and struggle for the past decade or so, this is great news!

Best wishes for the team and the product. I’m really feeling batch 3 now :partying_face:

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How do we cancel preorders?

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Can’t wait to get this one in my hands, looks beautiful!
But I also hope that J3 will have a bit less depressing Soc, ram and storage :smiley:

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No it’s not fast, it’s just running at higher refresh rate which speeds up animation time because you still didn’t fix it after i reported it like year ago

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I really hoped to see TOH even when the needed pre-orders aren’t hit - so I’m very happy now with this decision. So finally some of the community wishes like wireless charging will be possible. Can’t wait for the CAD file…

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Brother MCE DOESN’T SUPPORT HBM so what if screen supports it? I reported it, and what did you do about it? whole lot of nothing.

Another unfixed bug reported by me

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Are we also going to get any refresh rate info?
So far people speculate 60-90-120hz but I didn’t see anything, unless I missed something ofc.

Great news and thanks for the info Jolla, it looks awesome! :stuck_out_tongue:

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60Hz displays are getting rare so i doubt it’s anything below 90Hz

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SoC alone is not a guarantee for good user experience. more relevant is optimized software, what i really hope for. Looks good so far. I am happy to have TOH posdibility. Thanks guys and girls :slight_smile:

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A real shame with the video out. Having it as a lightweight computer when connected to a screen would be nice.

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usb display has been tried before on f(x)tec pro1. while you could potentially run whole separate gui instance on the usb display (iirc), lipstick, sfos’s compositor really lacks support of more than one display

It’s not impossible, just damn time consuming

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Thank you for this update. It really looks promising to me!!

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Curious - are you ever happy with something new, and grateful it even exists or always see the negative?
The phone sounds great to me! Thanks Jolla

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If you have not yet learned from all of the examples jolla provided, you must be very naive

Something new would be jolla actually fixing the issues before they have no other choice

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Thanks for the update it looks good so far.
I only have one problem with the images i now need to get myself a semla/fastlagsbulle, see what you did here :wink:

That is true. But I am fully aware of the Jolla experience in 6 different devices and almost 10 if you count the ones I don’t have anymore :slight_smile:
To put it simply, software experience won’t magically get a boost, it will get better with years. But hardware is something you can buy and build on top of, and definitely shows immediately performance gains in speed and multitasking!

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