Even if you do not participate, topics tend to generate discussion. I want to see discussion happening. Thus, I’m proposing that we’d use 10mins as minimum topic duration. Maximum 6 topics a week. We’ll continue with the extended 90 mins meeting duration.
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Name/IRC nick: rikudou Topic: Less extreme Store limitations Some details about the topic: I have two apps which IMO don’t do anything extraordinary but neither can be currently published to the Jolla Store. One of them is BitSailor and the other is the Beginner’s Guide. The Beginner’s Guide app uses DBus calls to open a store page directly, while BitSailor needs node.js. Especially the DBus stuff is ridiculous, that’s like disabling Intents on Android. Approx. time needed: 15 minutes
Topic: Featuring good apps from Chum or Storeman in the Jolla Store
Some details about the topic: There will be various new users and Sailfish ecosystem may be difficult to understand for beginner users. Jolla Store could be a little bit modified to include featured apps from Chum or Storeman. The list should be provided by trusted users and any app listed in the Jolla Store would have a warning with some explanation. This information could be provided by the trusted users or even by the developer. See this thread for further details: Merging Jolla Store, Chum and OpenRepos together
Approx. time needed: 15 minutes
Substitute (optional): nobody, I’ll try to be present
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I recall accounts was headed for opening? Is xmpp perhaps possible. As it stands xmpp integration isn’t really usable since both cryptography and groups features are missing.
Name/IRC nick: jojomen Topic: Back cover of the upcoming J2, specifically cameras Some details about the topic: To protect front lenses, cameras should be recessed Approx. time needed: 5 min Substitute (optional): nobody, I plan to be present
The renders on commerce.jolla.com show that, when laid down, the phone will rest on the cameras. So it is quite likely the front lenses will get scratched, impairing image quality.
How final is the design? Is there any chance to change the design to make cameras at least slightly recessed?
Does this not apply also to, for example, Xperia phones, where the camera also sticks out a tiny little bit?
The cameras on the J2 protruding more could even be better, because the angle created between the camera lens and the back of the phone may prevent it from resting on the center of the lens and instead make it rest only on the black rim around the lens.
This is a problem with many phone designs, but I wouldn’t take it as an argument for doing the same with the J2. All the “real” cameras I have feature recessed front elements (except for some ultra wideangle lenses).
You have a point there . I can’t tell from the renders if that rim is thick enough to keep the lens safe.
Name/IRC nick: jojomen Topic: Updated Forum rules to address AI generated posts Some details about the topic: Unfiltered AI posts regurgitate falsehoods, waste effort and turn threads into an offtopic mess Approx. time needed: 15 min Substitute (optional): nobody, I plan to be present
We are seeing an influx of new members, which is a good thing. It’s probably unavoidable that newcomers post questions or ideas that have already been discussed at length. Even if this is a burden for forum regulars, it is something we need to deal with as gracefully as possible.
However, posting unfiltered AI content is a new trend that brings a concentrate of all the normal forum challenges with more harm than benefit. I would like to see the forum rules updated to discourage or ban the practice. Maybe like:
Please avoid posting AI generated content. People will be much more interested in engaging with your original ideas.
Edit: Active moderation is better than detailed rules. Also, I my allergy towards AI slop resulted in a harsher-than-necessary reaction. I do think it should be mentioned in the Forum Rules, but something short (like the above) would suffice.
Do not post AI content on the forum.
The AI just gives you a sequence of plausible sentences, nicely structured and styled. It all sounds very convincing and impressive. However, your real work starts there. AI output is often wordy and ambiguous, and it always needs a substantial effort to fact-check. Any advice or conclusion must be corrected and clarified. Also, to contribute to the discussion, you have to fully understand what you have posted. This is easier if it is grounded in your actual experience, rather than a generic AI essay.
You need to put that effort into your post, otherwise nobody has any reason to care. Engagement would be a waste of effort and bring no benefit to the community. People would grow tired of you and you will fail to fulfil your intentions.
That sounds good, again thank you for the work you do improving the forum for us all!
I still think it would make sense to have some mention of this in the Forum Rules, since it is so easy to be impressed by AI output and even easier to copy-paste it in a post.
Name/IRC nick: jojomen Topic: Support backlog Some details about the topic: In mid-December, there was mention of a long list of support tickets resulting in delayed replies. What is the current situation? Approx. time needed: 5 min Substitute (optional): none, I plan to be present
A month ago, there was this message asking for patience:
…and since then we’ve had major holidays, so it could be that you still have a long queue of tickets to deal with. What is the current situation for support, what kind of delays could be expected?
Name/IRC nick: ichthyosaurus (sadly I won’t be able to make it)
Topic: Harbour exception for File Browser
Some details about the topic:File Browser is one of the most downloaded/upvoted apps in the official store. However, the version published in the official store is severely restricted due to Sailjail: folders restricted by Sailjail appear empty, and there’s no way of knowing if a folder is inaccessible due to Sailjail or if it is actually empty, leading to confused users asking me for help because they can’t find their files.
I had to add a notice to the official store page encouraging users to switch to the unrestricted version on Open Repos because what is a file manager if it can’t access the files it is supposed to be managing?
This is bad from a security perspective because it leads users to OpenRepos even though they maybe don’t know the hidden traps there. It is also bad optics to have one of the few apps that are always visible in the store (i.e. the first thing a new user will notice) recommending to switch to an unofficial store instead.
I’m asking for a exception to the Harbour rules just for File Browser, or for (vetted, trusted, and stable) file manager apps in general.
This could either be implemented as a new Sailjail permissions set for file managers (i.e. giving full file system access), or as a broad exception allowing File Browser to disable Sailjail in Harbour.
Name/IRC nick: AlmuHS Topic: Progress in Xperia 10 IV/V ports? Some details about the topic: The Xperia 10 IV and V ports seems freezed from many months ago. Some users got to use the Xperia 10 V using v4b blobs, to fix the battery monitor, but the camera, microphone (only works in calls) and hardware codecs doesn’t works yet.
I want to know about the progress in these ports, especially camera and microphone.
. I can’t tell from the renders if that rim is thick enough to keep the lens safe.