Agreed and many say “I have nothing to hide” and are unaware of the potential consequences, especially in the future, that this mindset/action can and will have on them.
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The C2 was (still is) advertised as a reference device with Sailfish pre-installed so that users can experience Sailfish “as its meant to be”. Its not advertised as a Beta device, nor is it advertised as work-in-progress product only suitable for techies to tinker with.
Most common-sense people reading Jolla’s sales pitch for this device would interpret this as an off-the-shelf product that would basically work out of the box for them. Yes, maybe a few glitches here and there, but a well rounded and stable product with none of the basic hardware adaptation issues that have plagued the Sony devices for years.
What they got was just more of the same or, at worst for a lot of people, a device that didn’t work at all and had to immediately be sent back. That, I would suggest, is why some users are frustrated and angry.
Its not that the C2 product is bad, or that Jolla isn’t working hard - they just made the rookie mistakes of (1) vastly over selling a product that had no chance of being what it was advertised to be at this stage, and (2) releasing it far too early without proper testing having being done.
Now they have to unbox all of the unsent C2s, reflash them, package them up again, deal with the costs of repairing at least 66 returned bricked phones, and so on.
Sadly I suspect they’ll now make a finacial loss on these C2s, certainly this year, and maybe in later ones as some users will now be wary of continuing their subscriptions for this device unless major improvements to functionality and support issues come quickly and reliably.
This is not an issue of technical capability, but of management - in other words it could have been so different if this had all been managed properly. Lets hope they learn from these mistakes.
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Cannot agree more:
I am only a boring fucking dude in Europe, and I have nothing to hide.
BUT, it is nobodies business what I do NOT have to hide, it is only my business.
I do not want it now or in future that any wild crowd from any political position can spy me and my device.
I do not trust any US business in that aspect, an old industrial track from ny youth teached me: never believe !
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Another one who knows what’s best for others. Like the communist party…
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Hello, I think we need to encourage Jolla. It messed up at the beginning ok. But we are resistant data protection is jolla and thank you again. My C2 is still waiting for reception at jolla it’s a little stressful. When I take out my xperia 10 III I apple it I often have to reset it. Sometimes it rings and it cuts off before I can pick up. My whatsapp no longer works (a blessing in disguise). Despite its confusion, I love my sailfishos
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What did you do? Sorry, but now I’m curious!
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keyboard input bug
i meant when i want
to call .i often have to reset my phone
I’m not always the best role model myself, but: would you mind staying on topic?
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They sold a first batch of 1000 devices. Apparently, new sailfish users were way faster in ordering one, than the techis that love jolla for what they are.
I stick to explit, sell the devices to the ones missing out and wait for future C*.
@Seven.of.nine met them in Berlin, I do take them serously serious. They a great people.
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C2 was working fine after this update using 2G + Wifi for a while, but today SIM card started to fail. Can’t see the sim card in the settings and ofono systemd service seems to be dead. This is what I see if i try to start the ofono service:
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 systemd[1]: Starting Telephony service...
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: oFono version 1.29
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding udev hardware detection
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding Novatel modem driver
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding Sierra modem driver
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding ZTE modem driver
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding Icera modem driver
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding Huawei modem driver
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding Calypso modem driver
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding MBM modem driver
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding Telit modem driver
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding HSO modem driver
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding Infineon modem driver
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding STE modem driver
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding Dialup modem driver
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding Hands-Free Profile Driver
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding SpeedUp modem driver
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding Phone Simulator driver
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding CDMA AT modem driver
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding External Hands-Free Profile Plugin
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding Dial-up Networking Profile Plugins
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Excluding CDMA provisioning Plugin
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Initializing AML plugin.
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 systemd[1]: Started Telephony service.
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: [gbinder-radio] Connected to android.hardware.radio.config.IRadioConfig/default
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: [gbinder-radio] Connected to android.hardware.radio.modem.IRadioModem/slot1
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: [gbinder-radio] Connected to android.hardware.radio.data.IRadioData/slot1
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: [gbinder-radio] Connected to android.hardware.radio.messaging.IRadioMessaging/slot1
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: [gbinder-radio] Connected to android.hardware.radio.network.IRadioNetwork/slot1
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: [gbinder-radio] Connected to android.hardware.radio.sim.IRadioSim/slot1
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: [gbinder-radio] Connected to android.hardware.radio.voice.IRadioVoice/slot1
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: [gbinder-radio] Connected to android.hardware.radio.modem.IRadioModem/slot2
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: [gbinder-radio] Connected to android.hardware.radio.data.IRadioData/slot2
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: [gbinder-radio] Connected to android.hardware.radio.messaging.IRadioMessaging/slot2
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: [gbinder-radio] Connected to android.hardware.radio.network.IRadioNetwork/slot2
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: [gbinder-radio] Connected to android.hardware.radio.sim.IRadioSim/slot2
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: [gbinder-radio] Connected to android.hardware.radio.voice.IRadioVoice/slot2
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: getPreferredNetworkTypeBitmap error 1
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: getPreferredNetworkTypeBitmap error 1
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: SIM card OK
Nov 17 17:09:36 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Requested file structure differs from SIM: 6fb7
Nov 17 17:09:37 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: SMS History Probe for modem: 0x3b5356b0
Nov 17 17:09:37 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Registered interface org.ofono.NetworkTime, path /ril_0
Nov 17 17:09:37 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: nw selection is already auto
Nov 17 17:09:37 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: Requested file structure differs from SIM: 6fb7
Nov 17 17:09:37 JollaC2 ofonod[28453]: data reg changed 0 -> 2 (searching), attached 0
Nov 17 17:09:38 JollaC2 systemd[1]: ofono.service: Main process exited, code=killed, status=6/ABRT
Nov 17 17:09:38 JollaC2 systemd[1]: ofono.service: Failed with result 'signal'.
Nov 17 17:09:41 JollaC2 systemd[1]: ofono.service: Service hold-off time over, scheduling restart.
Nov 17 17:09:41 JollaC2 systemd[1]: ofono.service: Scheduled restart job, restart counter is at 1.
Nov 17 17:09:41 JollaC2 systemd[1]: Stopped Telephony service.
Nov 17 17:09:41 JollaC2 systemd[1]: Starting Telephony service...
Tried also SIM2 slot, reboot, flight mode, etc., no help. Tested that SIM card works with Jolla C without problems.
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Emphasising the exclusiveness of Sailfish implicates that investors, necessary to make it grow and prosper, will not be interested in it. The EU has funding programs, but it will not grant funding to a select group that wants to stay exclusive.
Not all ‘geeks’ here use Sailfish as their daily driver. I did and I still do. Jolla 1, Xperia X, XA2, XA2 plus and the 10 III. For navigating I use my old ipad cellular (without sim, offline) and app MagicEarth that has no tracking. With Jolla 1 I used Here. Worked fine.
In my database I store links to approximately 150 critical articles about tech. I have read Shoshana Zuboff’s ‘The Age about Surveillance Capitalism’, books by Yuval Harari, parts of a book written by Nick Bostrøm, etc. I have seen the video ‘A Good American’ on Vimeo. Recommended! I have no Google account. My two paid mail accounts are from privacy friendly companies, no Whatsapp, etc.
Many people left Sailfish after the tablet disaster. It is not wise and also not kind now sending people away just because they are not specialised in tech.
The hybrid structure of Jolla/Sailfish complicates the development of the OS and I think CEO’s of Jolla did not always make good decisions. Hereby I want to thank the many devs in ‘the community’ who voluntarily gave their time to make it more attractive by creating apps.
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Thanks, I checked the thread and only run few ls and cat commands to mentioned files and directories and suddenly ofono and sim card started to work again. Weird.
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Why can’t it be stable? The N9 was. A Calimero complex will not help a company grow.
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You hit the nail; it’s the management. And the hybrid structure, a company relying on a good willing community. And the decision to launch two different products at the same time: the Mind and the C2. The lack of control during production. Too much haste.
Let’s hope Jolla can recover from this.
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Yes, we all do, they all do, especially young people who are getting their first device. It’s too bad that they are forced to have a Google account because their school works with Google Education Suite (Workspace), so children are being educated in using Google products.
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Don’t know where you are located, but in Germany it’s just the other way round: in higher classes you need an iPad. But in the end it’s the same - binding kids to a US based company.
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Maybe I forgot to publish my comment:
“I’m not always the best role model myself, but: would you mind staying on topic?”
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70% of Dutch schools work with Google. Many schools in the UK too. The same in Switzerland. .
Yes, sorry. Returning to topic: the update went smoothly. But it didn’t help much. I have no sound with incoming calls (mobile on 2,5G). No sound on a FOSS radio app from FDroid, no sounds from another sound-app from Fdroid (NOICE, just for testing), no sound with incoming mail, etc. Yet, when testing the sounds in settings I hear all the sounds properly. Timer sounds in ‘Clock’ do work.
And sounds in newPipe work. ???
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