Next gen Jolla Phone update - 11/25

I was not aware that positioning of volume rocker was a controversial topic :face_without_mouth:

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I know… I made a big thing out of “nothing”… :zany_face:

It’s just this Fairphone 6 that I’ve used for few months after looong time with Xperias… FP6 button placement is less than optimal (left side in the middle) when using phone with one hand.

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A post was split to a new topic: Sailfishos.org with outdated images

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Jolla Phone Pre-order campaign has started.

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Will the firmware support emergency 4G/5G (SIM-less?) calling? An increasing number of countries seem to require this (Australia,Sweden) in order to be white-listed

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It’s the law so they have to. Also since many countries are dropping 3G services emergency calls using voice over 4G/5G is required. If Jolla doesn’t get voice over 4G/5G to work, then the product is dead anyway.

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What are Jolla’s wishes for implementing water- and dust-proofing in their phone? Also, can we expect fast charging?

These are some of the quality of life features that other companies seems to forget in their specification sheets.

I obtained these specs for the Volla Phone Quintus from a sales rep a couple of months ago. The Quintus does not have an IP-rating at all, making it a risky situation to have to use your phone in the rain, f.x. when biking to and from work, having to take a call and being surprised by bad weather. For me, this will happen at least a couple of times per year. Also, when using the phones speakers for listening to news during morning showers, the foggy conditions reault in condensate on the phone, which is also a bad idea without the right IP rating.

The Quintus does have quite a fast charging wattage, 45w, I seem to recall, so the lack of any IP-rating is the only thing missing from the Quintus, in order to make it my dream-phone. This is also why I am crossing my fingers for the Jolla Phone to end up with both an IP rating that is good enough for at least light rain, and fast charging.

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According to

there is at least some ingress protection following the relevant standard.

‘This device has been tested in a controlled environment andcertified as waterproof and dustproof in certain situations (meets the requirements of classification IP54 as described in the international standard IEC-60529 Degree of protection by enclosure IP code; test conditions: 15-35 °C, 86-106 kPa, freshwater shower, 2 minutes).Despite this classification, it is possible that the device may be damaged in certain situations.’

I use the Quintus since February this year, multiple times in light rain, regularly at the beach and in humid environments without any issues.
Furthermore, @piggz release is rock stable running including waydroid. Just be aware that newer batches of the Quintus might not be fully supported, contact @Piggz or @Fellfrosch for details.
In my use case the Quintus is the dream device with SFOS, only the screen might be brighter in Iberia with a lot of bright sunlight…

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With battery replacement a “water- and dust-proofing” are very limited and you have to approve it warts and all or choose another device.

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These specs do not seem to be mutually exclusive, as explained by @jojomen below.

Thank you for correcting my mistake. I guess the answer I got was that it was not really well protected. The sales rep was definitely against taking the Quintus out in rainy conditions or exposing it to foggy conditions.

Will the next gen Jolla phone have a combined slot for the SIM and the SD-Card or two different like the original Jolla-phone?

It would be nice if the SD card could be replaced in operation. It would save time.

If it has a combined slot, the SIM would have to be deterred even in continuous operation without the telephone crashing.

Are the Specs of the next gen Jolle complete?

Please add a keyboard or a case with keyboard.

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According to how it is written the phone will have to sim lots and a additional sd card slot. At least this is how I read it, especially as Sims are mentioned in another line than the storage expansion.

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Please read before repeating what has been said a thousand times and don’t ask for a 3.5mm jack and don’t explain usb adapters. There’s a thread on TOH if you want to join the others elaborating on the HW keyboard.

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I think @Se is asking if the SIM cards and the microSD card will be in different trays or in single tray where you could swap the microSD card without pulling out the SIM cards at the same time. And then he follows with wishes for hot swapable microSD, and the phone not crashing, if you have to pull out also the SIM cards, in order to swap the microSD.

Based on the renders on the pre-order page, my guess is it will be a single tray for both SIM cards and microSD card.

You may be right. But on the other hand I ask myself why the phone would need a, special tray for thag while the inner of the device would be accessible by taking of the back cover. Don’t know how this was handled in the Jolla Phone 1, but the Jolla C2 as well as the Lumia 950 had no trays from the outside but just by taking of the back cover.

(Perhaps there would be space for a headphone jack instead of the tray when the latter would be moved to the inside??? :innocent:)

In my previous post I was errously using the word “tray”, when I was talking about how I understood the question on if the microSD card could be in it’s own slot, separate from the SIM card tray shown in the renders.

JP-1301 had separate slots for both microSD card and SIM card under the TOH.

Jolla C had a microSD card slot and separate slots for two SIM cards under the back cover.

As far as I know, all the different Sony Xperia 10 models with SFOS support (mark 1-5) have SIM1+SIM2/microSD-hybrid slot -trays. (Waiting for someone to point me out some variant without the hybrid slot)

ooh, i would also rather prefer separately removable sim and microsd. the J2 shop page says user-removable back cover, so this does suggest more direct accessibility than a single combined tray.

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This is something we have had in particular on table this week within the design team. Let’s walk it thru, there is a small story for this:

The housing design of the phone is super tight, and it even started to look like we would be able to fit only a single hybrid tray that would share the 2nd nano-SIM with the microSD. This without increasing the device size.

We pushed further and after several iterations we’re able to find a physically smaller (and slimmer) battery on the same capacity, i.e with a higher density. This free’d some space (and yes, we’re talking about parts of a millimeter in case of thickness) so we could revise the design and get more space for the 3-slot SIM tray (which is naturally bigger than a 2-slot tray). However, this does not mean the design would be able to fit separated trays or locations for dualSIM and microSD, that won’t be feasible. And not even speaking of a 3.5mm audio jack here :slightly_smiling_face:

So, thanks to slightly slimmer battery which enabled to revise the design, a 3-slot tray can fit to the housing. Yay!

Thus, there will be one dual-sided tray having two nano-SIM slots and one microSDXC slot. I.e. in total 3 slots within one tray.

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