There seems to be some problem with switching the Bluetooth audio output between SFOS and AAS in cars (at least layest Volkswagen one). As soon as you close the other app the sound for the new app is there…
Please not! In over ten years I got used to the sideswipe, what an unintuitive and absolutely strange gesture would it be to swipe from the bottom up? Who would do anything like that?
Is that why Blackberry doesn’t exist anymore?
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I don’t get it, you have the covers of all open apps right there, much faster than a button to open a carousel and fish for the app you want. If it’s not an open app, no need to go home as you can access app drawer from anywhere?
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It is also how you do it on iOS, I’m not sure on android but I suspect the same. I don’t think different for different’s sake is a good thing to be aiming for.
I have ads for the Jolla Phone on reddit. They are clearly marketing towards a wider demographic. It should therefore try to use incorporate what have become industry standards.
It’s not uncommon to want to switch between two different applications. For instance, wanting to copy and paste passwords from a Password manager to an application. In other operating systems that is a single gesture.
The screens on the homepage also don’t reorient around what was last used, and I have to rely on a screenshot (or sometimes a black screen, if there’s a bug, which has happened more than once to me) to get back to that password manager app.
It’s not deal breaking at all, but it doesn’t feel as seamless as it could by a long shot.
I have to use an iOs-Phone for work and really dont see the difference, if you swipe from the bottom or from the side, it’s just getting used to…
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See Switching between 2 apps more easilly (eg password manager) - #5 by davidrasch if you need an extra gesture to switch between two apps
Edit: and you can reorganize the covers on home screen by dragging them around after a long press on the homescreen, if you don’t like your order in ‘launch order’, hope tutorial covers that also, it’s been a while since I’ve used it
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Good news! Just enter the following command in a terminal, and then a long swipe inwards will let you do exactly what you’re looking for.
`dconf write /desktop/sailfish/experimental/quickAppToggleGesture true`
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The biggest difference for me is that there are useful features added from swiping on the left and right side, including back-button functionality. This is now relegated to a contextual button at the top of the screen (or the swipe form the middle gesture, which doesn’t work in apps like the Browser)
I’d also argue that keeping things consistent helps with the Android side of things. I have accidentally closed Deezer about 3 times by using their swipe to queue feature on some songs.
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This must be down to very specific apps and a software bug, because all 60+ Android apps I have installed have not shown any signs of lag. Which apps other than YouTube are you experiencing “lag to the point of being unusable” with? Most likely they all do something that triggers the bug.
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“industry standards.” …those keep changing all the time, flat UI design was THE thing, now it seems we are going back to transparent design with Liquid Glass, and its matter of time when they will try to change the UX as well.
Also why are some people scared of new things? just because its different doesnt mean its bad automatically its just different
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Problem: this conflicts with the App-drawer. I like the fact that I have always direct access to the app drawer by way of the bottom-edge-up gesture.
But I understand the point. That is why I am always confused when using Android or iOS and never realy get it with Android or iOS.
And I prefer seeing all open apps in a widget like manner instead of obscure app switching as provided by iOS or Android. But this is clearly a question of personal preferences and what one is used to.
@Podginator: all your observations are fair points and many concern design choices involving trade-offs in one or the other direction. Many in this forum might be so much used to the Jolla UI that we struggle with design choices Apple or Android once made. And having multiple repositories/AppSources is similar to the situation before Apple “invented” the iTunes Store/AppleAppStore, i.e. a single source for all apps. It would be great if most native apps could be found in the official Jolla store (Harbour) but this is hard to achieve with limited resources. Thank you for sharing your observations!
BTW: I also liked webOS by Palm/HP a lot … but Meego was most intriguing
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yeah some apps that have this issues, not sure why, but its clearly a AppSupport issue (its expected after Jolla has done major changes to getting rid of their technical debt )
So basically, what you want is a android device… ?
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I really don’t think that’s a fair assessment. I’m trying to share honest feedback of the difficulties I’ve had with the device over the last couple of days.
500 euros is not a small purchase. I bought it with the intent of using it as my main driver. I think some of the things I have cited are absolutely valid. As I have said I see Jolla marketing towards standard reddit users using Reddit Ads.
The device is advertised as having android app support. I made a decision based on that. The decision was that I’d use native apps wherever possible, and have android apps as the backup for when that wasn’t possible. It is a selling point of the device.
The criticisms I have with the UI are barely android related. Other than my thoughts that having a standard set of gestures that would work both with android apps, and Jolla apps would ease some of the friction of swapping between them.
As someone who came from an iOS device, there is a lot of friction. Right now, for instance, I wanted to check one of my email folders. I swiped to the right, but did so a little bit too far to the right of the screen. It closed the entire application.
Will I get used to that? Probably. But it’s one of those small UX decisions that lead to aggravation.
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You have some valid points.
But I have the same friction in my daily live, being forced to use iOs. Worst time of my digital life was one company with an android-phone an ipad and my private sailfishX. There you get confused.
I’m not sure if you can speak of “industry standarts” is the use of iOs and android so similar today?
Back in the time it was a nightmare to have to switch…
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Honestly, you’re never actually supposed to press that button, its main purpose is to indicate that there’s another page hiding on that side. If an application doesn’t let you swipe between pages, the application is doing something wrong. And that definitely includes the Browser, there’s no reason it couldn’t be swipe based, and in fact people have been asking for it since the beginning, but other things got prioritised in development. The Browser only recently became decently usable again after having been severely out of date for years, and after a massive effort to catch up by a couple of very dedicated developers. But there’s definitely still lots of room for improvement.
By the way, don’t feel discouraged sharing critical feedback, it’s good to read different perspectives because it allows all sides to think about how to improve things or adapt to changes.
Side edge swipes should normally only minimise the application, not close them. Regardless, if you keep accidentally minimising things when you wanted to swipe inside the application, it’s pretty easy to edit the ‘size’ of the edges by just changing a value somewhere. I forgot where, though, but if you’re interested I’ll look for it again.
Also, keep in mind that you’ve been using iOS for presumably longer than a decade, and Sailfish for a couple of days. Your muscle memory needs some time to adapt 
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You bought a new phone with an OS you never used before. So you should be willing to learn how it works instead of complaining that it works otherwise as you are used to do on other Operating systems. Why should we as long time SFOS users learn otber gestures than we are used to? Just get used to it…
(And sorry if this may be a bit rude - but I know four mobile systems and never wanted one to copy things from another… And sometimes I still use wrong gestures too - on all that devices )
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To be fair, the Jolla tutorial application should cover these topics. Swiping left or right from the edge doesn’t close an application, but rather allows to switch between open applications.
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There was a big marketing push with Jolla Phone 2. I think it’s fair to give my first impressions as a user of those other systems.
I wouldn’t even necessarily advocate for changing the defaults. But I do think it should be customizable.
Left half of the screen scrolling up = minimize application, right side of the screen scrolling up app menu. Left side of the screen same as middle scroll left, except in android apps. It’d ease the transition from one device to another, and allow people moving from android/iOS to continue using apps they’ve used on other devices as if they’re on those devices.