I just tried to establish an NFC connection with my ID card using the German AusweisApp BUND app on an Xperia 10 II. Unfortunately, SFOS does not seem to support NFC with such apps. Will this change with the next New Gen JOLLA phone?
Did you try with an Android Application?
Yes. Exactly. I think there is no other alternatively native app available.
like bluetooth nfc currently is not available in AAS. It might be theoretically possible to link it to AAS, but a simultaneous availability in AAS and native is not possible (however for NFC there would be less disadvantage in having it ONLY in AAS compared to bluetooth)
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It’s Qt6 based so with Chum packaging of Qt 6 there might be ways to get it to run?
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Ah, indeed! @rinigus is hard at work on getting angelfish in 6 running, so there is some chance an AusweisApp port could work. On the other hand, I’ve only ever used the eID client, on my pc, once in 4 years. How often does anyone use it?
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If simultaneous usage is not possible, it should be possible to use it for AAS only (or to switch the usage in the menu between SFOS and AAS). The same is with bluetooth and the fingerprint sensor. Neither of these work in AAS and without these key functionalties AAS unfortunaltey is completely useless. I use SFOS 5.0.0.73 on xperia-10-iii and unfortunately also pre-ordered the new Jolla phone. To be honest, with my current SFOS experiences in mind this was a mistake, because I don’t think that any of these problems will be solved in the near future
We just recently got told, Jolla are close to releasing Bluetooth support (simulataneously with SFOS) in AAS working and they said they might be able to use the same system to enable NFC too. Seems to me like it will work for the new Jolla Phone and of cause the other phones too.
And if you say you got .73 already, didn’t you read the release notes? It is in there… please read it… it is not yet in that update but will come as a seperated download from the store when it is ready:
Best regards
Fuchur
PS: “Completely useless” is a very exaggerated statement anyway, because there are a lot of apps which do not need either of these technologies… but yes, I am looking very much forward for Bluetooth in AAS too.
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It would be great to switch to SFOS, but it must be a complete switch. I don’t like to handle various phones in parallel depending on the APP to use. And that’s why AAS in the current state is useless for me without support for bluetooth, NFC and the fingerprint sensor.It would be even better if AAS was not needed at all. But as long as there are no corresponding native SFOS APPs, AAS is essential and the same are the currently still missing functionalities in AAS.
I think with these three functionalities in place, SFOS and Jolla could and will be a real replacement for the various ASOP solutions out there.
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Don’t you think “completely useless” might be a little too strong a statement?
Only one app I need doesn’t work and I use ~20.
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I understand the need for Bluetooth in android side, but can I ask how often and with what you need NFC? Fingerprint I think is mostly convenience thing? I am genuinely curious as non of my multiple bank apps or any other don’t require those. I can set and use pin code with those
I never understand why people need to use an app for everything.
Honest question.
I live in the EU, I am perfectly fine with my SFOS phone as main & only driver.
Of course I also have another computer at home; don’t people anymore these days?
But even so, I can do everything I can do at home on the phone, too, even if it gets a little cumbersome with my fat fingers and failing eyesight.
Of course an operating system like SFOS will be at its limits, and these people end up using appsupport more than anything. It becomes the single most imprtant issue for them, or so it seems from numerous forum posts. Everything has to work in appsupport, otherwise it’s a “dealbreaker”.
If I was a SFOS developer I’d feel pretty pissed off at this attitude. Why even go for it at all, when there’s no appreciation for what quality of life improvements it brings ?
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I’m not pissed. I just think these people should stick to the walled garden they want to live in and leave me in peace in MY walled garden, with you 
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I’m sorry but I am 99% certain that sfos won’t work for you for the foreseeable future, given that you need all the convenience other platforms can offer.
If you have to use mostly Android apps every day, current App support is not enough, and you definitely need one device, just get the latest iPhone and use it for the next 5-10 years.
Maybe by that time sfos would fit you better
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I agree 100%. If you need all the comfort of the gold colored cage and you want to be on the good side for a few hundred € than gou will be disappointed sooner, pretty soon or maybe even later. SFOS ist community driven which doesn’t mean you write a letter to Santa on a daily basis.
Jolla cannot and hopefully will not try to follow every glorious idea the main actors in the business might develop.
A privacy driven phone in my very personal opinion cannot be connected to your government’s ID card and your banking account as long as it knows all your contacts and your whereabouts. Dividing private life and business is so obvious untill a phone gets involved.
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Many people indeed don’t have a personal computer. Many handle their personal digital life entirely through phones and tablets, only using a computer for work, and some barely even that (depending on their work).
I regularly meet people between 20 and 60 that have trouble figuring out caps lock and shift on a physical keyboard because they’re used to how touch-screen shift keys work (temporarily locking for one character unless you double-tap it), and that need to borrow a computer for their studies because they don’t have their own.
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But are these many individuals people who will actually become used to using a real phone or other technical device? I think they are better off with what they have got.
We are a forum on SFOS and our educational efforts are limited. Helping people with their phones is alright. That is why we are here.
But coaching people to a new digital lifestile? Telling them how to handle their personal data, why they can’t handle their lifes on one device, don’t have just one password and tell everything to anyone?
Not my focus, I must say.
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Personal experience is that SFOS can easily be direct replacement for android phone. At least if you don’t use NFC to anything like me. I have installed, what, +20(?) Android apps and all of them work perfectly. Microsoft authenticator is one that isn’t currently working but IIRC there was some workaround to be done with that also. I personally always prefer native apps over android app where possible (well only expectation is browser) as they are just more beautiful. Doesn’t matter if not all functionalities aren’t there yet immediately.
No need to push people to keep using android/ios, let them check their apps and choose themselves. Very likely if they precise app work in any custom rom it works with SFOS
When you come here from Android/iPhone and all the Apple/MS/Google services, there will be A LOT of functionality and convenience that you will be leaving behind.
There must be a reason. Privacy? Less dependent on US services? Owning your phone? Ideals? Being against monopolies?
Whatever the reason might be, you should be willing to make compromises to achieve your goal.
So if someone shows up here that needs 24/7 connection to his e-banking, only contactless payments through his phone and not with a physical card, government apps etc, I think this person should be aware that he is looking at the wrong direction.
If you want to use the same Android/iOS/Google/Ms apps on sfos, or hope that there is a magical alternative to all of these without any effort or missing convenience, what is the difference from a 150€ Android device?
Anything good in this life requires effort.
If the idea of checking your bank from another phone/your PC/your browser, or carrying a wallet with your id and cards sounds completely unrealistic to you, I’m sorry but I am not going to encourage you to get a sfos device because you clearly don’t want one. You just want an android phone with a different Home Screen launcher.
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Well it is easy to find out that Google payments systems won’t work outside of Google ecosystem. My point was that it might be very effortless change in some cases. I have all bank apps, authenticators etc. I used to use before change working just fine. Sure, I had to do some tricks, but in the end those weren’t that hard. Biggest effort was finding Sailfish, sourcing old Sony phone and flashing it. Currently only battle I have within SFOS is against the loosing audio bug (cliff hanger here, I currently have SIM in android phone currently as it was too unreliable). And biggest compromise is not so good HW.
I am sure if someone finds SFOS and registers here to ask something, they have one reason or another why they are looking alternative OSs. If you are someone who just got in the train of alternative OSs, you don’t yet know much and don’t know what is reasonable and what not. Let’s let them find out, without shooting their idea down immediately is all I am saying. It doesn’t take long to understand that some effort is needed, but how much depends from person to person. Just personal opinion tho