I understood the subscription model starts from 10 IV and V forwards, and the older devices continue with their original license terms, which I believe is generous updates for one-time fee.
Jolla did make a point that 4.6 is the last update for certain older devices. Which means that it won’t be the last one for XA2 (?) and newer. I believe we will be getting a number of updates covered by our existing licenses.
So why not charge e.g. per update, and not per… actually nothing but passing time. An enforced monthly payment does not in fact guarantee ANYTHING. Neither to the users (as it doesn’t guarantee any updates) nor to Jolla (as users can just quit anytime, e.g. after 6 months, i.e. after having paid considerably LESS than what a current one-time payment of 50 euros would have provided. And some certainly will).
To recap, if it is indeed to cover software R&D costs, then charge us some licence purchase fee at start like it is now, and then some reasonable amount per update.
I didn’t really understand the answer about QT status
I interpret it as there is no plan to upgrade QT but it “might” be easier now. Finally this is not a so good news regarding QT but other announcements are great. There is a roadmap.
Mind2 NPU: 6 TOPS. Microsoft’s requirement for Copilot-enabled pc’s: 40 TOPS. While the latter isn’t even matched by current-gen Intels and AMDs, I don’t think they pulled these numbers out of thin air for convenience AI to be capable and fast enough. Also, while 16GiB is probably enough for 8B-11B-models, depending on quantization, bigger still is better. And for larger context windows you’d quickly need more RAM.
Also, small models like Phi3 aren’t exactly multi-lingual. English-only AI wouldn’t be of much use in most of Europe, I guess.
Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying. I basically only buy the sony devices to make some financial contribution, but don’t use the devices more than a a couple of days a year.
Nah, read the Additional Information:
Will continue to work…
No one actually ever got free updates forever. Support for the Jolla1 ended at some point, then for the Xperia X, etc. XA2 will probably follow soon. There is no obligation of any kind in their EULA about how long each specific device model is to be supported, the only remark is “Free updates AS LONG as the device is supported”, which means that Jolla can actually stop supporting a device whenever they decide to do so. And they do it.
Of course, so far it’s been quite many years of support per model, for which we certainly should be grateful. But if it doesn’t bring them enough money then why not simply shorten the period of free updates to e.g. some fixed period clearly stated in the EULA, like e.g. 12 months or 24 months of free updates, and then simply require payments for any (optional) consecutive updates past that guaranteed period. Instead of monthly subscription for literally nothing, because it doesn’t guarantee literally anything.
Just pay a fiver when you want an update, noone is forcing you to set up a monthly payment
Can you please point me to where you took it from? It would be completely senseless if such a model was really possible, as it would be guaranteeing Jolla MANY TIMES LESS income from SFOS licences than currently a one-time payment gives them, unless all users would be generously and voluntarily paying a fiver each single month rather than only when an update comes out (i.e. quite possibly once or twice a year). I know that there are many generous people out there willing to support Jolla, but I am afraid that they aren’t majority, nor actually even a noticeable minority. So are you sure that Jolla would consciously provide a possibility to pay them much less than what they get now?
Here if you subscribe to David’s interpretation that CEO was a sneaky Finn and while telling everyone it will work without a sub and you only need sub for updates was actually a convoluted trick:
Read additional information, clear as day, jolla did their research, 90% of users are in rich countries where 5$ is like coffee and they will get more from indians being able to afford it
I’m not saying I can’t afford $5 per month. I just don’t like subscriptions. Even for my Windoze anti-virus I buy a new licence each 12/18 months rather than renewing.
Well, you know, the actual point is that I really WANT to give Jolla more money as I understand that they need more. But not via monthly subscription that I TRULY HATE and won’t force myself to do it. Hence my request to keep a one-time payment as an additional option. If it’s gone, then I will be literally FORCED to provide Jolla with less funds than what I’ve been doing so far, as having no possibility to pay them one-time fee of some $50 (or $60 or whatever else it might be) and not accepting monthly subscriptions, I will be left with no other choice but what you’re suggesting, i.e. give them $5 at start and then $5 per update, i.e. quite possibly not more than $15 per year. Silly, isn’t it?
Then you can do them a fiver once and you’re golden, but don’t expect updates, seems fair, and if you so REALLY WANT to support them, you can do that again next month, or when they release an update, who cares, do what you want
It always amazes me how in the very place meant to share opinions and points of view regarding the topic (or what else is this thread meant for?), there’s always someone annoyed by others doing just that, i.e. expressing their opinions and suggestions regarding the very topic.
My comment was meant solely to express (and possibly to communicate to Jolla) that there are people who would appreciate still having an option to pay once, quite possibly a higher amount than now. Are you saying it was a wrong place to post it? If so, may you suggest a better place?
No, it’s you who always (has to) have the last word.
Yes, but in a way that’s acceptable for me. I can give some poor person on the street $50, but I won’t accept being instead expected to keep coming back to him monthly and giving him $5 a month rather than everything at once, because he prefers so. Get the point?
How kind, as usual.
Good bye. Hopefully.
I truly admire the sharpness of your mind.
Yeah, ppl are given more freedom and choice: no need to pay upfront for 6 months as maybe there will be no update, you can pay another fiver when it comes out, and here we have you, I DEMAND paying upfront, so just like subscription I guess? Seriously, if the update fixes feature you don’t use, just skip it and pay the fiver when something useful shows up, how can anyone be against it?
I’ll continue this dissusion only after Jolla clearly and unambiguously explains how the new licensing (subscription) model is going to work. Including whether AppSupport will continue to work (or not) after one stops paying the monthly subscription. Only then it will turn out if only supporting monthly subscriptions by Jolla is really FREEDOM and CHOICE as you’re stating, or if it is actually VICE VERSA, if it turns out that e.g. in order to keep AppSupport working you HAVE TO pay monthly.
But none at Jolla have said anything about that yet. Who says that they wont charge you for the months you missed/skipped/didnt subscribe, once you decide to subscribe again for the next month? So until someone at Jolla clarifies this point, maybe you shouldnt suggest it as an option/alternative
So starting a new account in 6 months will cost you 30 bucks extra??? We NEED/DEMAND clarification on this? Srsly is this some kind of fud campaign?
The information you’re referring to is SOLELY about the Community Phone and not about the 10 IV or 10 V, to which completely different licensing terms may apply. For the Community Phone one has to pay Jolla an initial purchase price of 299 euros (which is way more than what that device normally costs on the market) so it quite possibily also covers the cost of software, whereas in case of 10 IV and V there obviously won’t be any such initial payment for Jolla, so the only income in case of those specific devices can be the monthly fee.
So maybe read more precisely what’s really written instead of scolding others, because the information concerning SOLELY the Community Phone has literally ZERO in common with how licensing terms for the 10 IV and V may look like.
