Total Buggy OS - Xperia 10 Plus

I just have to state here that the current version 4.1.0.24(Kvarken) is a cheek. I’ve been using Sailfish for years and really don’t have much on my device also I’ve experienced a lot, but so slowly it’s enough. I use my device as the only one in everyday life and expect that at least basic functions should work, which is not the case. Here is a partial list of all the NEW bugs:

  • random closing of apps(Android/Sailfish) of all kinds.
  • bugs during phone calls
  • random reboot
  • network(wifi/4G) glitch etc…
  • Accounts(Email) missing all at once
  • Passwords(Email) just disappear
  • APK no longer installable
  • Photos/pictures are not found or indexed also wrongly ordered
  • Ghosttouches

We are not at a hobby project here, many people have paid money for the OS, even if only once. There have already been similar cases in court. If Jolla needs more time, then publish this and be good, or make small beta groups for testing. You don’t publish junk like this. Then when I read posts about how to bring new customers here, I have to laugh. This is definitely not the way to do it! Apart from the fact that the project is years behind and you would be stuck without Android in everyday life. I also don’t know why everyone is so after the browser, I use Firefox/Vivaldi and well everything is perfect including sync. How about the foundation being solid first before worrying about the flowers on the balcony?

Shame on you Jolla !!!

I do not have one of these problems.

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There’s already a discussion going on: https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/very-buggy-os-on-xperia-10-ii/7272/108

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@ansch190 : I had similar problems on Xperia 10 two times (weeks/months ago).

It occured after installing some Android apps. It was a serious damage of the system. Deinstalling apps, switching off Android support and even deinstalling Aliendalvik didn’t help anymore.

I had to ‘factory reset’ the phone and to new install all updates. But now everything works like a charm.

All this bllsht came from Android apps, including forcing the phone to send excessive amount of data over the network. I saw this on the LEDs of my router and internet access frrom other computer getting slow. Had also other malfunctions like you wrote

This also persisted after deinstalling Android apps and even Aliendalvik itself. For me I consider as proven that some Android apps via Aliendalvik have the potential to permanently damage the SFOS system.

So I suggest to factory reset your device.

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Thanks, I will try it out.

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@Seven.of.nine This seems to be a common.problem also -and not at all surprising- with Android devices.
Not all data is erased after sw deinstallation. Some stuff remains which does or does not interfere with the system. There is Mashka for ckeaning up SF on.openrepos but it doesn’t help with all sw debris and certainly not with Android stuff.

Factory resets are an act of purification that might brighten up your soul as well as your device. :slight_smile:

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Aha, the forum police flagged the post from deloptes.

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Calling other people “forum police” is not only rude and inappropriate, but also off topic in this thread. If you want to discuss the flagging/moderation policies, please create a topic for it in the site feedback category instead of abusing other topics.

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Never mind.

yes indeed.

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To all those who feel the need to censor other users’ posts, please note carefully the following:

From the Forum guidelines, Jolla’s Terms of Service:

" Foster freedom. We do not believe in walled gardens, we prefer the open sea. We want our products and services to free you to express yourself as you see fit, not lock you down to a view of the world imposed on you by us.

Improve the Discussion. … Be respectful of the topics and the people discussing them, even if you disagree with some of what is being said.”

If You See a Problem, Flag It … With your help, moderators can be community facilitators, not just janitors or police."

So referring to moderators as ‘police’ is therefore already an acceptable term for Jolla.

Post Community Flagging Edit:

In my posts I have always tried to be reasonable, factual and objective.

This post simply asks those who are censoring my posts and those of others to take note of the Jolla Terms of Service and Forum Guidelines that I have quoted, nothing more. There is no opinion here, no view, just simply a direct copy and paste of Jolla’s own text.

However, somebody (who?) has disagreed with this and censored my post yet again with no explanation and no feedback as to why they feel it is unreasonable to ask them to consider Jolla’s own terms of service. No challenge has been offered and no counter argument put forward.

There are other posts on this same subject, and in the same vein, by other authors, both before and after my own, that have not currently been censored, so I now consider this behaviour to be targeted at me personally. Clearly if these other posts are now censored only after this comment has been read then this will add further weight to this conclusion.

This behaviour is totally unacceptable on a public forum and amounts to victimisation.

If this situation is not rectified immediately, along with an apology from the people concerned, I will be escalating this issue to Sami Pienimäki, the CEO of Jolla.

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I am just testing the system. your questions are legit.
I used the term “communist party” because I lived in communism and I know how it feels.
And yes it feels similar.
Anyway - lets hope that this discussion will bring some fruit

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Guys, I’m out.
I live in a place where we are somewhat sensitive when it comes to comparisons with dictatorship and stuff.

On the other hand I feel personally disgusted discussing with people who on one side know the real secret and only truth behind it all and on the other side are watching out for their countless and well organized homogeneous enemies.

Anyway. Wrong thread for me.

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But the private message one receives when a message is flagged contradicts Jolla’s statements @Steve_Everett cited:

This post was hidden due to flags from the community, so please consider how you might revise your post to reflect their feedback. You can edit your post after 10 minutes, and it will be automatically unhidden.
However, if the post is hidden by the community a second time, it will remain hidden until handled by staff.

As the “anonymous censors” do not provide any feedback (and there is no incentive for them to do so, rather the opposite), these rules simply foster censorship.
The crucial point is that suppressing messages can be done in total anonymity: This spurs this special kind of “trolling in the dark” behaviour.

P.S.: As this “forum police” behaviour turns out to be a larger, structural issue (because it is rooted in the forum policies set by Jolla), one may follow @vige’s request, “to discuss the flagging/moderation policies, please create a topic for it in the site feedback category”.
I think this thread nicely depicts how the extant forum policies foster passive-aggressive, hidden-domiant behaviour. Triggering this a couple of times was well worth it to create examples and to prove that this is a permanently recurring behavioural pattern of some forum members.
Plus one has to reflect about the exhibited behaviour to extract the underlying structural issues nourishing it.

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