All valid points.
My problem with a 800+ EUR phone is that the OS can’t provide the polish such HW commands. So for me the whole package, can’t justify the price.
Case in point, with my Sony Xperia 10 III I just had SMS sending problems until I rebooted. I’m willing to tolerate such problems for < 400 EUR but not for > 800 EUR!
I think that was quite well written, @slalomsk8er .
I do agree.
Somehow Sailfish OS will never have the backing of multibillion dollars that the top american tech has for their OS’s.
Even Huawei is having a hard time building its own Harmony OS, with quite more employees and money than Jolla does have.
So I am like you tolerant to small bugs, but then I don’t wish to invest much more than 400eur in such a handset that has some (again: tolerable) drawbacks…
The Xperia 10 line has been for a decade a bright choice for that in my opinion: Being around 300/400eur with quite good enough hardware, and pricewise still therefore not requiring premium software ironing that would become expected with a higher device price.
If Next Gen Jolla is above 400eur, then i hope the porting on the (cheaper yet qualityfull) Xperia line lives on in parallel!
If only some people in the EU would see the potential of a local made and controlled smartphone operating system. Ah, well, strategical thinking isn’t the strong point of most people…
What are you talking about?
Nokia had several different OSs before it got destroyed by the masters of EU from across the ocean.
My personal suggestion is that the NG Jolla phone will be a minimalistic device using premium-class parts. A mid-class set of functions but implemented with higher spec’ed components.
A phone that pushes the limits of technical prowess and thus forcess a higher level of polish and sophistication in the OS too.
I think it was pretty clear from @x2s ‘s post that they mean that folks living and residing in Europe have historically, as seen from the current market conditions, largely undervalued European-centric solutions and technology.
There has been growing sentiment amongst European consumers, for example since the start of Russia’s war against Ukraine (e.g. related to defense and energy independence) and further exacerbated by the current political climate in the United States (e.g. expanded economical and technological sovereignty) that further investment and support of European companies should happen.
Jolla actively markets Sailfish OS as “the only European mobile OS” (per https://jolla.com) and no doubt should capitalize on it. However as mentioned by @yusssufff, historically lack of market demand and limited userbase, has resulted in a gulf between available investments / backers comparing Europe and United States, so there just wouldn’t be the money available to Jolla that the likes of Apple and Google have been able to invest into their respective operating systems and ecosystems.
On-topic: Hopefully this “next gen” Jolla phone won’t be another “community” / “developer”-centric one. It can serve that purpose while still being an enticing offering for your average consumers. We’re users too after all.
SFOS user interface is perfect, please don’t “polish” it! I just bought a Pixel 8 and flashed Graphene OS on it, the best phone OS in security and Android compatibility. Therefore I know what I’m writing about. It’s ‘androidish’ user interface is a nightmare!
Please leave SFOS as it is! Fix the bugs, open it to other manufactorers (Volla, Fairphone,…) but don’t change the goodies unnecessarily.
“Keep changes to a minimum, even when changes are for the better”.
SailfishOS is very good as it stands now, but there are papercuts that I would like to see removed. …and some android-ish “improvements” too from earlier that don’t follow the paradigms of the OS as a whole (buttons instead of gestures as an example).
Inbetween elements (like how week numbers are located between months in the calendar) could also be used more.
Minor stuff, really.
There had been lot of european companies in the early computer era, but they are all gone, like the mobile phone companies did (or at least dropped their interest in that business).
So what’s left in Europe are Jolla with right now just an OS (and the Mind 2, okay), Fairphone, Shiftphone and Volla with devices (the latter also with a tablet), and Nextcloud as a cloud service and workspace solution, even with the option to be self hosted. It needs some kind of joined venture between OS, Hardware and Services companies for a real European independence. Some EU funds would be the key.
And I still hope for a deeper integration of Nextcloud into SFOS: automatic picture upload, device location, Talk directly integrated into messages app (similar to xxmp), notes app syncing and finally a tasks app.
I really second this…
The SFOS UX is much superior to Androids UX!!! Pkease keep as pretty and attractive as it is right now ¡¡¡
another thing: If lots of people here vote for smaller phones, I vote for a faster UI.
One of the reasons why I’m so happy now with SFOS is my speed tweaks:
After applying the tweak list, SFOS is zippy and it’s fun to work with it, no more so lazy and slow as before. Maybe Jolla thinks about this in the next edition…
Again, software.
It does not have anything to do with new hardware.
Yes, that’s true, I have to confess…
I didn’t read @vattuvarg’s post as “the UI needs fine tuning”, but rather fix bugs and fine tune the features and services we already have, and also try to narrow the technological debt compared to other OS’ as much as possible.
Yes yes, congratulations for being a broken record. “Europe bad. Western world bad. Russia good. Everyone must be in their teens because nobody agrees with me.” Not interested in your constant pro-Russian & anti-European noise.
Your inability to accept European consumer sentiment isn’t my problem. The same type of growing pro-European consumer sentiment that Jolla should capitalize on and leverage to promote Sailfish and its products.
Getting investments and loans is certainly more difficult at the moment due to higher Euribor rates, which have raised substantially since Q1 2022. That’s interesting that was at the start of Russia’s invasion into the sovereign country of Ukraine? Oh I’m sure that was all a coincidence… 
That doesn’t mean the well has dried up though, but I’d be surprised if Jolla went down the route of raising funds from private investors (or banks) rather than waiting for an EU-STF (Sovereign Tech Fund) since it’s quite clear that the EU and EU member states need one or more. But we’ve seen some clear feasibility studies for it, for example at https://eu-stf.openforumeurope.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/EU-STF-Feasibility-Study_final.pdf
How much a next gen phone helps encourage folks jump ship remains to be seen, but it certainly won’t hurt. Of course, the software side can and should always be improved over the lifetime of the C2 and any future device. No doubt it will and I think Jolla is making some good strides by open sourcing or committing to open sourcing more of it! But hardware that your average consumer actually wants will easily make or break a purchase decision.
Can we please not respond to off topic answers. If we respond we acknowledge such behaviour in a way.
I would love to read on topic answers and not some nonproductive pissing contest.
There is no such thing as “my opinion or view is better then yours”. If it is it’s called empty talk or egoblabing. If someone feels strong urge he/she can open a separate topic for himself and those who are interested in that.
A thing that just came into my mind, but wasn’t mentioned so far in this whole thread as far as I remember:
What about wireless charging (Qi)? The often mentioned Lumia 950 was capable of that, same for the higher Xperias (1 and 5 range).
Iuse wireless charging in the office and in my car too, so that would be nice feature (but not must) for a next-gen Jolla phone with perhaps higher specs.
I would favour a very sturdy screen like with the xa2 series. My xa2 Ultra survived several severe drops and has still a completely unharmed screen, while the cheap Samsung my daughter uses was completely cracked by a drop within her bag that she didn’t even notice.
Unfortunately I have no idea what technology makes the difference here, probably some kind of gorilla glass
I was actually thinking about Qi yesterday, I had it on a previous phone but ended up using it less than initially expected. For me more a nice to have feature …
Aspect ratio and screen size much more important to me