Right, Snapdragon 7 or equivalent and plenty of storage for future-proofing, good camera and SD support.
I would like to keep the device for a long time, so availability of spares would be important.
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I don’t think I´ve been well understood: there are phones that work very well for less than €600. Take a look at CMF (without Google, 200-300€), for example.
Smartphones have become indispensable tools (unfortunately or not), so we must think about the majority and not a minority, a plutocracy, which would have access to a world without GAFAM
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Once again, the majority can get the C2.
Please allow power users not to have to stick with sub-par devices.
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I didn´t write something like that.
The world is not black and white; between these two extremes there is a wide range of colours. We need to design a device for the vast majority in order to encourage people to switch to free software without their data being captured and used by private companies.
I believe that Sailfish’s philosophy is to allow everyone to be in control of their own data. This should not be reserved for a supposed elite.
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But if after a cheap device with SFOS you do another cheap device with SFOS, all we can get with SFOS is cheap devices.
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I can appreciate the argument for devices which hit a specific price-point, but I think you should remember (this is something that has been discussed already in this thread, so I’m not treading new ground here) that the reason why Nothing / CMF (CMF just being a sub-brand of Nothing) are able to hit those price points has a lot to do (not strictly to do, of course) with scale.
They can go to their existing supplies, many of which have worked with them in the past when folks like Carl Pei were at OnePlus, and get much lower prices because they’re ordering at an order of magnitude more than Jolla. Nothing got over a billion (yes, with a b) USD in device sales in 2024 with a total annual revenue of 500 million USD. At the time of reporting in January, Nothing was looking to raise another $100 million. They reported shipping over 7 million devices in 2024 alone. If they have a lower BoM, they can have lower prices. They can also intentionally eat into per-unit margins by making it up with volume. They also have a more diverse set of products than Jolla which help to act as an anchor or introduction into their ecosystem, such as their watches or audio devices.
Jolla’s announcement was in the sale of a minimum of two thousand pre-orders. Not twenty thousand. Not two-hundred thousand. Not two million. They also only have one other device on the market with the Mind2, which is an even smaller niche (local-first, privacy-first AI computer) than their phone. It sucks that it’s a niche and I hope it changes, but that’s the current market realities.
It would be fantastic to see Jolla delivering a range of devices that meet various types of consumers at various price points. I just think there will have to be some expectation management done on what the devices have in terms of raw hardware capabilities.
Personall, I would like a high-end Sailfish OS phone. I don’t care if it costs me 800+ EUR for it. If it can cost me less, great! I’m almost certainly in the minority on that one. I’d like to see an official tablet too, maybe bring on @Mister_Magister for the device work & porting since he seems to be ridiculously competent at it.
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That’s nice for you to say. But rather than my mediocare skills, what I keep saying is, you need good device as a base. With Xiaomi Pad6 i basically didn’t have to do anything, everything just clicked. Xperias and C2 on other hand have been proven not to be good devices but Jolla prefers to cover their ears and act like its not true. Same as with oneplus port, same with motorola ports, if you notice, 2014 motorola was under google aka pure unaltered android or as close to it as possible, same as oneplus. The less ODM modifies the device from QRD (Qualcomm Reference Design) the easier it is to port because it has less proprietary blobs or at least they’re close to standard.
mal, basically main porter at jolla, has way better skills at me it’s not even comparison, i’m an ant compared to him. Only my device selection is better. And jolla devices are so trash that no matter the skill you have you can’t make them not trash
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Would it be worthwhile for Jolla/Sailfish to expand the number of supported devices and charge a monthly, annual, or lifetime licence fee? This could be a business model worth considering, allowing the majority to break away from Android and iOS.
Iode OS (iode.tech) is currently doing this.
Please note that I am neither a computer scientist nor an OS specialist, nor am I an expert in the history of alternative operating systems. My apologies.
I also apologise for straying slightly off topic with regard to a new device.
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A modular design could be the solution.
- Only one main design, so just one body
- Identical usual standard modules for G5/Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, NFC, GPS
- Different chip, different memory, different camera (and to my mind one back camera is enough!)
- Maybe different screen (resolutions) and different batteries
Yes, sounds a little bit like modularity as known from Fairphone, but the main problem of actual phones is that every model has another size and internal layout. Sure, the components may have different sizes (maybe even chip sockets need to be different, but chip, memory an camera are the main components where phones divide each other into low, mid and high spec devices. So if possible these three module should be the only differences in a range of new generation of Jolla Phones.
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Sounds like the failed Puzzle Phone -project. They had divided the phone into 3 modules. Battery-module, Brain-module which contained CPU, GPU, memory, storage and camera if I recall correctly and then the main body-module which had the screen, power- and volume-buttons and the other modules connected to this part. The idea was that you could select the modules stats based on your preferences and upgrade only the parts you felt like needed upgrading, and you didn’t need to change your whole phone if one part got broken.
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Sounds all the things I wanted got the victory, so let’s hope for a fingerprint working device, with a good zoom camera, a good but not excessive large display for under the 600 euros 
The old classes of phones were…
Entry – Mid – Flagship
Now there’s an additional class…
Entry – Mid – Premium – Flagship
We could be aiming for the premium class with the NG Jolla phone.
A premium device could combine an all-big-cores 8×A725 CPU with Mali G720 7-core GPU (and Panthor open source drivers).
A premium-class CPU and GPU could…
- do video encoding and decoding at 4K@60fps.
- use a 2560×1280 pixel display (18:9 ratio).
Or just port Sailfish OS to Xperia 5 line.
nooooooo
we need something well integrated
born for SFOS, not adjusted for it
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Fair but as a xperia 5 V user I dream of the day I can use sailfish on it, for me it is a almost perfect phone in terms of hardware with it’s size/aspect ratio, 3.5mm jack, sd card slot, and lack of front camera hole-punch.
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Didn’t Sony stop making Xperia 5 -phones after Xperia 5 V and focus on Xperia 1 and Xperia 10 lineups?
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Excuse me!1!!
Did anyone think one minute about the color options for the packaging?
CPU, Screensize, blablabla.
And if you think that post makes no sense, think about this whole thread.
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Packaging like the color/texture/etc. of the device’s body, or packaging like the cardboard carton, metal tin or wooden puzzle box the entire kit comes in? Because wooden puzzle box sounds pretty fun . . .
But please make it Finnish trees, so the Jolla phone feels at home in its enclosure.