Next gen Jolla Phone

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Mid-class specs

Note that the numbers below are suggestions.

Network
GSM / HSPA / LTE / 5G

Body
Dimensions 144×72×9.6 mm
Weight 170g
Black glass front, plastic frame, removable plastic back (textured)

Display
OLED, 1B colours, HDR 10-90fps
147mm diagonal (5.8 inches), 87.12 cm²
2160×1080 pixels, 18:9 ratio (~416 ppi density)

Platform
SailfishOS 5.2, upgradable
CPU Octa-core (1+3+4)
GPU Mali Valhall gen 3 with open source Panthor drivers

Memory
Internal 12GB RAM
MicroSDXC with separate socket
256GB (UFS 3.1)

Main Camera
50Mp OIS
Video 1080p@120fps, gyro-EIS, OIS

Front Camera
12.5Mp HDR
Video 1080p@60fps gyro-EIS

Sound
Stereo loudspeakers
USB-c headset adapter for 3.5mm jack (16bit/48kHz) included

Comms
Nano-SIM + eSIM
Wifi 6E 80211 a/b/g/n/ac/ax, 2/5/6GHz
Bluetooth 5.3, LE, A2DP, aptX HD, aptX Adaptive
GNSS GPS/GLONASS/GALILEO/BDS/QZSS
NFC Yes
FM Radio Yes (with built-in antenna)
Dual USB-c 3.1, OTG
IR

Sensors
Fingerprint (in-display), accelerometer, gyro, proximity, magnetic compass

Battery
5000 mAh
Wired charging, PD, QC

Misc
Colours: Slush white, Shepherd’s grey, Signal red, YInMn blue
Other rear cover colours available separately

Compare with Premium class specs.

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Why not Poppy Red like one of the TOH colors for the original JP-1301?

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547

I don’t decide, just suggest. …and this is the next gen phone. No copy.

I imagine a lot of people will like the YInMn blue, although it’ll be expensive.

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548

I just thought it would have been nice nod to the original to suggest few other similar colors (other than white) that were available back then.

549

What extra colours should be available? …and how should they be textured?

My dog uses a Ruffwear harness when hiking. It has the colour of red sumac and I really like that colour.

550

I give up, what’s yellow melon bue?

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… there are also start-up needing supoort to born (example https://liberux.net/)

why not join specifications?

it seems also that graphene (rumors I think) is evaluating to build their own device

I think graphene also can help with sanboxed app (since App Support has lot of limitations, and I think is the crucial feature to improve first)

IMHO a jojnt-venture could open new doors on market

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553

w00t 24 ryzens? thats not that old!

554

why limit it to be able to run only android? if its a host; in theory it could run haiku, or 9front as containers…

556

@Jolla , when will there be more information whether this phone will be released? I’m pretty exited about the next gen Jolla Phone :star_struck:

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557

SailfishOS is a multitasking Linux distribution so in theory it can run containers, multiple containers, even.

But should it?

  • Less code means less exploits.
  • Do one thing and do it well.
  • Keep It Simple, Stupid.

Compatibilities are OK, imho, but native apps should be the main focus.

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558

No, sorry. I don’t agree. A mobile phone is not an embedded system, it’s a general purpose tool just like a PC, therefore it must be conceived to do as much as possible. The balance is about the compromise of increased cost vs utility. You won’t use your phone as a massively parallel supercomputer or to crack encryption keys, but you will want to use it to help you in everyday tasks.

I’ve been hearing citations of the KISS methodology for decades now. It means “do your task as simply as possible”, but many think of it as “do less things than you need to do”. There’s a huge difference in this, or we would find cars without seats and steering wheel for purchase.

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559

A phone is a computer nowadays, that I agree to, but the work of all computers should be kept minimal. There really should be some energy left in the battery for emergencies, imho.

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560

The work of computers is to comply to the tasks the humans (and in future other computers) will provide to them, no?

Also, the unix principle DOTADIW back in the days was applied (at least afaik) mostly to different utilities / programs (bash, scripts, exes); do one thing and do it well. Generalizing to everything is not necessarily the best approach, at least IMO :slight_smile: (though KISS is not necessarily a bad one, either).

There would be many ways for such a “computer phone” to be able to adhere to the KISS principle; for example by providing easy ways to use all the nifty utilities which all are KISS by themselves

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561

in my dreams:

  • Small: min n9 max XA2, for 1h use in candybar mode, 2-thumb use in pkb mode.
  • Horizontal slide out qwerty keyboard, eg: Nokia n950, FXtec-Pro. Before you post ‘lol nobody use qwerty’, just look at what happened with the recent Titan2 kickstarter…
  • Capacitive keyboard: double-tap to turn it into a trackpad for the cursor.
  • Backlit keyboard.
  • Firm clicky keyboard (see: any pre-Android BB device).
  • Keyboard can be used to drive vim & emacs.
  • Global 4G & 5G.
  • Can run mainline Linux instead of SFOS if the owner wishes (this will generate a lot more interest).
  • Replaceable battery.
  • Hotswappable sim.
  • High fidelity audio (see: BB Passport if you can find one, amazing comms device).
  • Fabula design (see: n9, early flagship Lumias). Wishful thinking tho.
  • Will pay up to €‎1.2k for such a rare unicorn device, however I’d like to see a buddy system where every nth device goes to someone who is clearly capable and interested in developing on it (via competition?), but who lack the means to acquire one, which leads to:
  • Decouple QT/Lipstick application development from the SDK: write and compile softwares for the device, on the device, given the physical keyboard. It should be as straightforward as Vala+GTK on a Linux device, where you can write source in a single file, compile it to a binary with a terminal command, then use it - all on the device itself.
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562

Sorry but I am ready to pay 1.2K only for a device that has:

  • working functionality
  • lasting battery life
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563

You’re not being very nice, especially to people with limited resources who’d like to break free from GAFAM. Unlike you, apparently, some people have to be careful with their finances.

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564

What does a High End phone bring to Jolla and bring to users? I vote for a solid mid range phone and think that’s full sufficient. SD-card support is important and a screen ratio 16:9 or 18:9, not longer, for better readability and watching media content. Please no more ‘banana phone’!

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565

Those people have the C2.

There are no options above midrange for official SFOS.

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