It seems straightforward to me. I don’t like to use Android.
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For my first list, there are no native apps.
For my second list, no, it’s only due to software (unsupported Bluetooth on Android, impossibility to set a screen lock on the Android side or some weird thing that makes apps crash)
Please leave software requirements out of this hardware thread.
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Where’s the “hardware” bit?
Among wished features listed by Jolla there is BT Android connectivity, and that’s a software feature.
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I have missed this information, so I have to ask for a source for this claim.
Basically the whole first post, barring that one thing.
It is one unfortunate outlier, whereas your list was entirely software.
Expecting a hardware project to magically deliver significant amounts of pure software features is unreasonable
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You mean my lists?
That was not a wish list. That was the reason why I need Android apps.
My wish list is above.
First post:
Now, we’ve been offered access to a good quality modern 5G smartphone platform
I take “good quality” as “not cheap”.
Memory/storage and price ranges proposed confirm my interpretation.
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Papa bear has BIG hands.
There’s a point being missed here. Sailfish is about PRIVACY. If that is of concern remember that a phone number is the key identifier that tracks the user cross platform whichever device is being used . Why does Google et all need a phone number to open an account ? Jolla is doing a fantastic job of balancing privacy against convenience. And at the bargain price of the C2. Adding function to a device format that is at least 25 years old is to ignore what is being developed . A waste of resources. A mobile device incorporating essential functions WITHOUT A SCREEN is nearly here.
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You are right,
but buying a device you always consider the device it self first
the new JP should have (more or less) same hardware as android device you can buy around 300$ (selling trend)
and it should support swith to android (for those who want opt out keeping the device)
for sure “App Support” needs some deeper integration (sensors, network, unlock, audio, ect)
This working on the 21:9 screen of the Sony’s feels very constringent also in a psychological sight and makes SFOS unattractive for many people.
phone needs area on the screen to show content for usability. Dpi is fine but with this size we need a microscope. Sorry for I can’t see 1/20mm. 1/10mm imho is precise enough.
Would be good to have glasses with what one can see the phone screen double size. Then the HiDPI would make sense.
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Bargain price? An Android phone with those specs would cost below €100.
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For a cheapo bloat laden data harvesting locked device without ongoing and regular updates. Now that AOSP does not permit outside update submissions , but only ones from Google itself, custom roms using that source are finished. Changes are only listed after the event. Look at the historic withdrawal of included capabilities, keyboard for instance. Development and maintenance is not free, either in time or money. As do small production runs. Thank you Jolla for continuing. I have had no problem with wifi or bluetooth connection apart from audio with android apps which was fixed two updates ago - try it with BorrowBox eaudio books. Is there any other Linux phone that matches Sailfish with such ootb functionality and support ?
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A second half of the price is subsidised by the advertisers, who pay to have their apps pre-installed. Also those inexpensive phones are made in the hundreds of thousands. Jolla is asking for 2000 pre-orders. At this sort of low volumes, it is hard to have anything assembled below 1000 euros.
Jolla cannot compete on price. If you want “high” specs at market prices, you take a Sony. If you want Jolla to survive, you compromise on the price and take a C3.
The reasons for using SFOS are privacy (independence from advertisers and from GAFAM), and hackability (linux in a phone). The reasons for buying a Jolla phone are better firmware integration, supporting Jolla’s survival, and “not made in China”.
Those points have a cost. At market prices, you can’t have privacy, because “privacy-raping” gives a really big discount. And if you are into price comparison, you can’t buy a low-volume custom-design phone. The price range requested here is how much above the market price you are willing to afford, in order to get non-hardware benefits such as privacy.
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why are you on sailfish?
android is free, google profits on your data management so SO could be free
develop is not an hobby, developers should be payed for their job… or not?
you should choose your priority, and buy whatever fits better your needs
Why don’t you mind your own business rather than criticizing other people’s opinions? Without people like me, who spend and support Sailfish since 2014, it would have gone bust just like all other Linux phones. It’s not rational to use Sailfish but I want a choice. If it were for the noisy minority of small screen-little memory-no AAS-open source all, Jolla would be history today because it would be selling geek toys rather than mobile phones. You should thank me and others like me who take the burden of carrying a second phone to be able to keep SFOS as primary system. Not to mention that I have to keep the phone in 3G because if I set it to 4G or 5G data will hang in a few minutes, or that I cannot have notifications on my smartwatch like all normal people because AAS does not support Bluetooth. How many devices and licenses have you purchased? How many bugs have you reported? So please don’t give stupid advice.
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Jolla C2 is not a custom design, it’s an off-the-shelf phone.
I design electronic devices every day and I know perfectly industrial cost. From 1000 pieces on, the cost drop per volume (design excluded) is almost flat. I am willing to pay €1000 for a Sailfish phone with €600 hardware, not €400 for €100 hardware.
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this sounds reasonable. I also think next JP should not be based on cheap components
I also know that modern SOC are going to be - all in one, build for - android, so finding something valid will be tricky
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Less is more
Having fewer features would allow higher specifications on the components that are kept.
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