Next gen Jolla Phone

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My two Arm-based Linux desktop computers are fine with eight gigabytes.

I voted for the 12GB option in the poll. There was no alternative for 8GB.

It also would be nice to know the reason to why a certain choice would be ridiculous.

Trivia – The sixth generation Fairphone has 8GB RAM.

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This old machine says: More is Better :+1:

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RAM is cheap. It is binary: there is enough or not.

I tried to use my 10ii with 3 GB and couldn’t use navigation even with no other applications active.

When I don’t have enough memory I want to increase it by factor of eight. 24 GB would be nice but I can live with 16 or even 12. But not with less.

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Because you aren’t running an Android environment in parallel with Linux.

By the way, it’s not the OS to set the needed amount of RAM. It’s apps and how many of them you want to run at the same time. I want to be able to run a lot of apps.

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Simply the difference between enough and excess.

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Enough is difficult to determine since we’re running pocket-sized PC’s with a Linux OS and oftentimes a VM (Android) on top.
Since an increasing number of people and sustainability policies would like our phones to last 5-7+ years, determining excess over that long a timespan is difficult.

It’s better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

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Is the NG Jolla phone we are debating…

  • a SailfishOS device with the ability to run some Android apps?
  • a SailfishOS host primarily intended to run Android app containers?
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It is also a good thing to have an environment that promotes small apps. …for efficiency as well as security.

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I expect it to be a pocket computer able to do lots of stuff, and more and more as time goes on.

What I cannot currently do on SFOS and need Android apps:

  • Run a navigator with real-time traffic information.
  • Run the latest version of any browser (sorry, but websites often require this).
  • Access online banking (web access requires the app for 2-factor authenticati/on).
  • Use vending machines on the go.
  • Purchase public transportation tickets.
  • Use electronic ID apps.
  • Use music streaming services or music identification services (ie Shazam).
  • Use instant messaging (sorry, everybody uses Whatsapp).
  • Use photo backup services.
  • Use utilities that are precious for my job (e. g. Smith chart matching or Electrodroid).
  • Use public administration utilities.
  • Access smart home devices.
  • Pay parking online.

What I cannot do at all on SFOS and need an Android phone:

  • Use vending machines at work.
  • Use car scanner devices.
  • Use apps via car built-in services (ie Android Auto).
  • Use one of my banks’ apps (because it won’t start if you don’t lock the screen).
  • Use the Italian public administration app IO (because it relies on Google’s infrastructure).
  • Use the most popular parking app in Italy MooneyGo (because it crashes).
  • Use my smartwatch.

Unfortunately we cannot promote anything with our user base.

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So your answer is that the NG Jolla phone primarily is a host for running Android app containers?

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It’s a device to do what I need.

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Just out of pure curiosity…

Wouldn’t it be better for you to buy an android phone?

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I did, but it’s the backup phone I use to do what SFOS cannot do.

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But what is your reason for trying to make the NG Jolla phone a host for Android apps instead of making sure it is optimised for SailfishOS?

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“Optimised for SailfishOS” means cheap?

Because Jolla said it’s a high-end phone.

There’s the C2 that’s already “optimised” enough.

By the way, my Android is a Redmi 12, hardly a high-end phone.

Still by the way, what’s the use you think of for a Sailfish-optimised phone? Web, email and basic maps?

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If SailfishOS is reduced to just being a host for running Android app containers then there’s really no need for it. …and thus a phone built mainly for that use is redundant (as there are already quite a number or Android phablets out there).

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It has a use: I can run Android apps I need without running Android.

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Please explain why that is important to you. …especially as you have a second device running android apps on Android.

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i would do the things terminal only. i think the world decided otherwise because the learning curve is too steep for most people. but i think ssh is more efficient also on bandwith. and i am pro hardware keyboard and n950 size, even n900 was too big for me

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It would be nice to run all those apps. Is this a hardware issue that the next-gen Jolla phone will resolve so it can run them?