Next gen Jolla Phone

Give me a dummy thicc phone with IBIS :stuck_out_tongue:

Only half kidding. But OIS can only get you so far, if the image processing sucks then you can have the most stable photo in the world and it’d still look like it was shot on a potato. Indeed the image processing really needs to be on the SFOS side and actually work out-of-the-box.

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I would be very interested in a sleek just works out of the box higher end phone with SFOS. I used the OG Jolla phone until 2017 - it broke, and after that I’ve been with iPhones. I still like the overall design language of the OG Jolla.

With Battery life + Good camera + water resistance&durability + good quality display being the most important aspects followed by stability and support. size wise I think 5,5"-6-4" would be the best for me.

I use NFC payment stuff daily, but I could live without that, even if currently basically my phone has replaced everything except my ID. A security oriented (,high-end) European competitor to Android phones and iPhones is something I’m willing to support. I’ll be waiting what Jolla has to offer in Q1!

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I’m asking because some 5G phone SoC have AI inside. Thus the NG Jolla phone might have built-in NPU.

My main desktop is a small Arm-based single board computer. It has a built-in NPU too, apparently.

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Most modern chips can do AI inference nowadays. I think at least.

It doesn’t matter much though. There are far more serious issues with SFOS sw that need to be solved before we start worrying if the phone can do AI stuff.

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Depends on what you mean by “AI”. According to Qualcomm, Snapdragon 8 gen 3 can do a local LLM at 20 tokens / second.

That is super slow and unusable. I do not want a slow chatbot on the phone.

What I want from “AI” is a personal assistant, using voice, for example:

  • Send email,
  • set alarm,
  • set timer,
  • google this,
  • google that,
  • update OS

All of this can be done on modern mobile hardware. There is a number of projects in this area.

My ten year old car can this without “AI” :wink:

But yes, being able to say some commands could help impaired people a lot.

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I can’t find the correct numbers for the number of tokens per second, but…

The Mediatek Dimensity 7200C 5G phone SoC has a NPU that does about 4 TOPS (trillion operations per second).

Trivia – My tiny SBC does about 6 TOPS. …and uses the same SoC as the Mind2…

Support for the 802.11bb (or LiFi) optical wireless standard would be nice…


Image taken from the PureLiFi Light Antenna ONE web page.

Don’t know whether to call this a camera or a networking device… It’s one gigabit, though.

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I guess if we’re gonna go for two USB ports, built-in AI, and LiFi networking, there’s no reason not to include an RGB light strip around the body, right? 4 1337 bruh g4m1ng r1g, amirite?

I hope I’m kidding . . . unless that LiFi module can double as an IR blaster . . .

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No it can’t. :slightly_frowning_face:

But it is possible to fit both an IR port and the Lifi “eye” on the top edge of the phone. …above the single rear camera. :grinning:

By the way… Lifi can be point-to-point (with or without access point).

Oh, I forgot… Most 5G SoCs from Mediatek have NPUs included.

  • If there’s an option to avoid having an NPU in the NG phone then I hope that the phone is released without one.*

I really don’t like the idea of mixing AI into everything. …if that has been unclear until now.

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Its just a purpose designed chip sitting there doing nothing if you don’t make it do something.

And AFAI can tell nothing uses trained AI models in SFOS at this moment.

So nothing to worry about.

If it is there then someone will use it eventually. 4 trillion operations per second going haywire, basically.

AI is not the boogieman or something. Its -simplistically explained- neural networks matching inputs to outputs. And it can have million useful applications.

Its like worrying that someone will use the knife in your kitchen to kill you. It can happen but i don’t see anyone overthinking it.

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I’d like to have the Nokia 9300 communicator back. The size was small enough for the trouser pocket and the usability for sms and calls with the display and keys on the front size was great. For the other stuff the inner display and keyboard works famously. Maybe not a concept for a new phone due the nowadays usability concept with one big touch screen didn’t match.

In principle if a hardware feature is available it should be somehow working. An example where this is not the case is the Xperia 10iii. USB3 connection is not recognized and connecting to a docking station with display leads into a reboot. On the Xperia’s with FM tuner I always shed tears during flashing sailfish os knowing I lost the functionality now.

My feature wish list is:

  • not bigger than the Xperia phones
  • two micro sd card slots
  • FM and DAB+ radio
  • IR transmitter for TV and Hifi devices
  • 3,5mm audio port
  • Bluetooth that is capable to stream to two receivers
  • Better AVRCP Bluetooth integration for music streaming to the car (reliable and all features)
  • USB-C port with USB3, MTP with more than 4G file size or mapping a block device, support for external display with keyboard, mouse, Ethernet, audio and USB to serial chips
  • Android auto functionality for pure maps
  • Water resistant
  • LED indicator
  • Battery lifetime more than one day and a replaceable battery (of course the availability of the battery in some years should be also given)

In the past I never used the fingerprint sensor or NFC.
The second sim slot is always occupied with the sd card. So my decision was always using micro sd card.

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AI is used for everything and everywhere right now. But there are downsides the optimists don’t seem to notice.

Like the massive amount of energy used to power those artificial know-it-alls.

Another, more philosophical, aspect of AI is that people are supposed to create increasingly larger and more complex social structures by cooperating and exchanging ideas. AI as a mechanism throws gravel into that “machinery”, pretty much like narcissists impact social situations.

You take a picture of someone or something you really want to remember and then your device “improves” it with artificial intelligence. It is no longer what you wanted to remember, instead it’s the closest thing to it that your AI could approximate. And you can’t go back and review the details of the original because it is gone just an instant after you pressed the shutter button. …and with it the real memory of it is gone.

It is pretty much the opposite of what a camera should do.

Just as one example.

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Please don’t mix in random software features in a hardware thread.

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You can currently run Ollama on sailfish and test the available models that your device’s RAM can handle. However, it tends to be slow and may not be the most efficient. It would be interesting to see how much faster and more efficient these models could run on NPUs. I’d definitely be interested in testing that myself.

Lets say it that way…super fast and responsive OS without any new high tech bloatware.All this new circus its against linux itself.Single person port and boot FreeBSD on Fairphone Pro for few months,while we are at beta state for years on a already working OS.We need private,fast,up to date linux OS and which phone is most capable to achieve this ,must be chosen by Jolla itself!At the end of the day even with latest and greatest flagships, there is no full happiness.And when we look at the state of the linux for mobiles,even something simple like that will be huge win over the USgov octopus google/apple!

Another interesting application of AI is upscaling. With a powerful algorithm, performance in games could improve dramatically, and it could enable features on games that we can barely imagine today.
This article ilustrates what the future will bring with NPUs: https://newsroom.arm.com/news/arm-announces-arm-neural-technology