Next gen Jolla Phone update - 12/25

That’s functionally I take as granted, but perhaps I shouldn’t.

Recently my sony XM5 in-ears got the repair under warranty denied, because water damage is not under the warranty. I haven’t dropped them in water ever. But I do get caught in rain once in a while. I told them to not repair them, and just recycle them, because if it will get water damage by regular use, it is not me.

I expect my phone to be in my pocket most of the time. I do get caught in rains sometimes. I need it to not break because of this.

But my Lumias also had a removable cover, and replaceable battery, and those didn’t break too soon, and not because of moist. so it’s probably okay. Right?

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Hum…. I do not agree with that. Most people i convinced to use Sailfish were scared to invest many hundred euros in an OS they do not know.

Discount vouchers do work well for quite some people, but not all people of course, sure! But see even Jolla uses discount vouchers to gather customers (see the first 499eur pricing and so on). I think that is a good old method.

Anyhow i’d say getting either a free sailfish X (10 IV/V) licence (for those owning an Xperia) OR a free TOH (for those owning a Jolla Phone), could amount to a 50eur discount in a way that still is within what the ecosystem produces.

It can even be cheaper for Jolla. Since creating and then posting T-Shirts is also quite a time consuming job that i would not wish them. On top of the fact that most of our shelves are already full of goodies t-shirts, or t-shirts anyhow.

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To answer my own question: from what I have read online, the card reader is controlled by the modem and only supports SIM cards.

hmmm, maybe time limited, fully functioning trial license could do the trick here?

Free (as in beer) licenses are available. They just come without AAS.

Thanks for releasing more details about the phone specs!

As I use my phones outdoors, I appreciate the GPS supporting a lot of GNSS.

However, I think waterproofness is quite important. At least it should withstand using it in heavy rain or having it close to the body while heavily sweating. Much more important than optimizing the design for this TOH stuff which is IMHO a quite irrelevant gadget :wink:

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sure thing - but we have to face the fact that we are niche people with special priorities. if SailfishOS gets traction ever it will need Android app support, at least, for a while. Ordinary people wants devices “that just works”. And those ordinary people are needed for having massive user base…

e.g. I can imagine SFOS could be popular in Middle-East/India - but without Android app support (and VoLTE/VoWifi), no chance, especially in India…

A beanie, in Finnish.

Thank you for a nice update! I think that there should be some personal incentive like discount coupon to TOH or the SFOS licence. Also if we reach 10000 it would be great to give some devices to enthusiastic community members or FOSS developers to encourage them to participate to SFOS development and App development.

Happy holidays to every sailor and community member! :christmas_tree:

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That’s a big issue, because eventually they will need to for all countries, 2/3G will die out completely.

Pity the industry couldn’t pick one standard, particularly for emergency calls. I mean they did have it for 2/3G

Edit is in response to sending devices to carriers for testing.

Can’t the phone still be waterproof even if the back cover and battery isn’t?

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In Sweden 2G and 3G were taken offline this December so it’s already taken offline.

My Xperia 10iii still works.

There is one operator in Sweden that still haven’t taken 2G offline yet (Telia, which i don’t use) they will keep 2G through 2026 so older cars with eCall has time to adjust to no 2G.

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You all seem to assume, that not having an IP rating makes the phone a sponge automatically pulling in all the moist from outside and breaking anything in its way. :wink:

I had a lot of smartphones, some with replaceable / changeable back covers and so on and no, those will not care much about heavier rain or anything like that.

There is no rating, because rating means money / guaranteed stuff, but it is still a closed phone.
It might not stay alive under water, but even a slightly closed case can take a little bit of rain in general.

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Personally, I find a positive review from a referral to be a reward in itself. We all share a common goal: seeing Jolla and Sailfish OS grow. Since this community already passionately promotes the OS, I believe Jolla should avoid diverting unnecessary expenses or man-hours toward referral rewards—especially since individual rewards could never satisfy everyone.

In my view, every available resource—no matter how small—should be reinvested directly into the hardware and software experience. Minor details are often the “tipping point.” A polished or additional feature can secure a loyal customer, while a single unpolished or missing feature can alienate a potential user forever.

A few examples:

- Video Out: This could be a “wow factor,” making buyers feel they’ve received more value than they paid for.

- By today’s standards, an (AM)OLED display with less than a 90Hz refresh rate is a significant disappointment (the Xperia 10 V, for example, failed in this regard).

- Features like Always-on Display (AOD) and Double Tap to Wake will definitely satisfy users and could even compensate for perceived shortcomings in other areas.

- A decent phone must have a decent speaker. I hope Jolla gives this proper consideration.

- Most importantly: Releasing a phone with the browser in its current state could be catastrophic—not just for this device, but for Jolla’s future. For any user, the browser is the soul of the OS; if it is broken, the entire OS feels broken. To a newcomer, the browser represents a decade of Jolla’s work. If a basic tool feels “pathetically bad,” a buyer will rightfully ask: “What good is the rest?” Given Sailfish’s limited native app availability, a high-performing, stable browser is vital.

Jolla needs to consider how these points will look in professional reviews. They aren’t just releasing a phone; they are pitching a narrative as a competent alternative to the status quo. A single bad review of a first-batch phone could trigger hundreds of cancellations. Once trust is lost and a negative reputation takes root, it is nearly impossible to recover.

This device needs to represent the “perfect” Linux phone experience. Now that the hardware specs look promising, Jolla’s absolute priority must be the OS. I believe this project is a “rise or fall” moment. While a “fall” might just mean maintaining the same niche position they’ve held for 13 years, I sincerely hope this leads to their rise.

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First off, seeing us hit 6k pre-orders is incredible news, congrats to the team!

I wanted to touch on the mention of USB-C video out and the work needed on the OS side. I truly believe that a full ‘Desktop Mode’ is the single most transformative feature we could ask for. Watching what Samsung has done with DeX proves that the hardware is ready; we just need the software vision to match it.

For a device rooted in Linux, this feels like the ultimate goal: a phone that isn’t just a phone, but a true pocket computer. If we can get that video-out working and build a desktop interface around it, that is the ‘awesome vision’ I think so many of us here are dreaming of.

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This is a very good and valid analysis : the absence of a reliable browser can be killer in the concept: independency from big-tech platforms can be achieved when using Webapp via the browser, this enables to use SFOS as daily driver.
But for reviewer inexperienced with SFOS, it might be hard to see the true value of SFOS when native apps are so limited in number and the on-board browser is still in the current status without native alternative browser installation possible in an easy way.
(dreaming mode on) Maybe Angelfish can somehow be made SFOS compatible without fiddling with community Qt6 and missing clipboard and with proper native Silica look? (dreaming mode off)…

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I would love to use SFOS via a USB- dock/dongle with my screen and keyboard and mouse, but a true convergence and linux in the pocket I would miss basic Linux programs: LibreOffice, GIMP, etc…
All these are currently not in SFOS

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Agreed, but a DEX like environment might be over complicated, instead we can use what already exist; phosh, KDE Plasma or Gnome as the graphical interface. You position yourself as a linux phone, this desktop environment will push it towards the front of the line as a real DIT linux phone.

How could we achieve this? Ask the opensource developer community to help us with the development or partner with existing mobile linux developers (Fosdem Brussels is coming January 31). As a reward opt-in pre-order buyers to become a alpha or beta tester for the desktop software) For people buying after 31/01 you can launch a supporter programs like GOG Patrons (GOG an optional program allowing users to support game preservation and the platform’s growth through monthly contributions, unlocking perks like exclusive discounts and early access to new features.You can read the full announcement here.), 5 euro a month, to be an Jolla Sailor. (Replacing Sailfish Subscribtions) This 5 euro will help you fund your developer support role or team to help guide the project. This income will help to support and assist the community with connecting your proprietary part UX UI sailfish core to this new open source community mobile linux desktop program.

As an incentive offer all pre-order buyers 3 - 6 months of Jolla Insider. For every sale (phone unit) that a Jolla Insider refers offer 1 month of Jolla Insider. I think that is a fair reward and is less then 1 % of your sales price.

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I’ll jump in with a simpler idea for rewards – points that can later be exchanged for discounts and/or back covers in various colors (please, I need an aloe back, :pleading_face:) and other accessories for our new phones
Simple, probably not too expensive, and works even if we don’t get enough orders to bring TOH back. :slight_smile:

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@MeeGo-Junky

The video out option would be really cool. Even if Sailfish OS lacks all desktop software, it still would be easy to start you favourite Linux distribution in an LXC container. There you can run whatever you want almost with almost the same performance as running it natively.

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