I see, did not realize until now, but agree: it would be wonderful to have Debian running in a container. So video-out please
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âOur peopleâ? Jolla Sailfish is not a sect! And I am a âgrandmaâ who loves privacy and decent tech.
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Waterproof means that it would be possible to submerge the phone under water for at least a few minutes, not that it just resists to some splashes of rain.
You may achieve that with a phone that has a removable back cover, but youâd need to design some pretty efficient seals, that are⌠user-resistant. It would probably make quite cumbersome to remove the cover that the âsnap onâ feature would be lost.
As an example of waterproof covers think of the back cover of e.g. some sport watches, that are openable only to replace cell batteries. They either have a tight press fit, or they use screws to keep the seals in place.
The problem with a âEuropean operating systemâ is that it wonât just be unauthorised access you will need to be worried about if the EC clown act were to be involved in the project. This is the primary reason as to why I recently decided to go with Droidian. Sure, it will need a fair amount of time before it can compete with native android CRâs in terms of functionality, but if you are 100% ungoogled (as I am), the gap is not as big as some might have us believe.
That apart the one thing that puts Debian phones streets ahead of every other mobile OS is the fact that it is securely established worldwide as an independent OS with a huge community that just cannot be bought by any government or big tech giant. It doesnât get better than that in terms of maintaining core values such as privacy and security. Will be keeping my SFOS XA2 as a stand by though, if only just for old times sake. ;o)
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Are we easily irritated on Christmas? The least person to use grandmaâs old iPhone would be grandma. At least not after she has given it to someone else. But even that person could well be interested in technology and privacy.
And a sect? Srsly?
But at one point you may be right. I mean, I am male, my son has no children⌠But what was that point anyway?
Donât tell me.
Absolutely agree, the browser but also the rest of the native out of the box experience needs to be top level 1-1 performance to current iOS and android state
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Will sneak peek and double-tap for waking up work?
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it canât be the same level at least because of app ecosystem for example. but I also think, some basic stuff like browser, mail, camera, file management must be on high level
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It would be wonderful to have Debian runnung on a phone (including everything that the hardware can do) and free choice of UI: Sailfish UI, xfce, Cinnamon, (KDE). Plus full USB-C compatibility for using an USB hub with 3 USB, HDMI, cable network, card reader, soud interfaceâŚ
(and not crashing the system when disconnecting a keyb. or mouse)
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With regard to the referral program, people who have ordered the Jolla Phone themselves could get a discount on the price if they convince another person to order, who in turn gets a discount.
There could also be a kind of special edition TOH only for people who are part of such a referral. Something pretty like the wooden Lastu cases that @jonyli was talking about.
(Image stolen from their post)
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Thank you for providing more information about the Jolla Phone hardware. Iâm a 3C product enthusiast born after 1980, and Iâve purchased some electronic products within my budget. I fondly remember the vibrant and competitive 3C product scene around 2000. Back then, each manufacturer had its own unique ideas and designs, striving to realize them to the best of their ability. However, 3C products nowadays are becoming increasingly homogenized, mediocre, and similar.
Iâm very grateful to Jolla Ltd. for persisting since the first Jolla Phone in 2013. I also appreciate Jolla Ltd. for providing people with more choices. At the same time, I feel that Jolla Ltd. could do even better. Here are a few suggestions:
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I suggest opening up Sailfish OS, allowing more enthusiasts and developers to collaborate in building a more powerful Sailfish OS. This would also allow more people to learn about Sailfish OS and participate in its development.
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I saw on the product introduction webpage that âSailfish OS is a Linux-based European alternative to dominating mobile operating systems, and the only mobile OS offering an exclusive licensing model for local implementations.â I think emphasizing privacy is fine, but emphasizing Europe is unnecessary. Emphasizing Europe is overly political and reveals a narrow-minded company value system. Donât North America and Asia also emphasize privacy? Does emphasizing Europe in the product description mean all phones come from Europe? Even if all hardware comes from Europe in the future, wonât some people argue that Jolla phones shouldnât be manufactured in Turkey for political reasons? Personally, I think they should be manufactured in China. Even the iPhone is largely manufactured in China. Manufacturing in China ensures a relatively high pass rate and low supply chain costs, ultimately resulting in a lower price while maintaining the same profit margin. A lower price will attract more buyers, and more buyers will attract more application developers to create applications for Sailfish OS. This is a win-win situation for Jolla, developers, enthusiasts, consumers, and everyone. Privacy issues are also guaranteed.
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Finally, a small suggestion for the latest Jolla phone: the protruding rear camera is really ugly. Why canât the rear camera be flush with the back? We want a light phone, not a thin one. I personally donât like the front camera either; a pop-up camera would be better. Of course, I understand that theyâre not making a pop-up camera for the time being to save costs. I hope the Jolla phoneâs back cover, like the Nokia N9 or Nokia Lumia series, doesnât use a spray-paint process but a unibody design. That way, we wonât have to worry about the color changing after bumps and scratches.
Iâve written a lot of rambling, but I hope itâs helpful to Jolla, and I hope Jolla continues to grow stronger.
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That is challenge of course but how about using android apps parallel until Jolla catch up piece by piece most needed apps and then we replace them to native Linux/Sailfish apps and packages? There are so many unneeded apps both in Android and iOS stores, nobody needs most of them. IMHO partly these Google/Apple ecosystem advantages are more illusion in that point of view. These small things, that devices are working together smoothly, especially in Apple ecosystem is bigger challenge. I can live without that easily. But this is just my opinion.
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Yes, but 
It is mostly not in Jolla to providr most oft apps in the store, this can be done by comunity and servise providers themselves. This can be the case if the ecosystem is âeasy to enterâ. I mean, I can code also a little, but for me it was not possible to setup the dev. environments with all needed compiler things to compile, sideload and start one example APP. But with Android SDK it is the case for me, it was easy first time. So, if this enter point is so difficult its is one small Problem. But then I read about Qt versions incompatibility, very high effort to migrate Firefox to SFOS and much more troubles. This must be solved.
Every Linux distro provide updates Firefox within days. It looks like nearly impossible just to port a app from other Linux distro to SFOS. If I am wrong now, wy we discuss month and years about having proper Matrix, Jabber, Signal or Telegram clients? Sources of all clients are available for LinuxâŚ
This give me the point, something in the SFOS under hood must be improved or changed to enable others easier to provide/port apps.
PS. Sorry, sometimes I write with German keyboard setup and some words are automatically changed in according to German dictionary.
PS2: BTW. So long SFOS is not fully FOSS, why some of us speak about thrully user data safe OS? Yes Android is mostly garbage, but Graphene for example is fully open sourced. So any of us can check the code with AI for tracking functions inside.
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Similar to Android SFOS SDK is just install and start using - and it has an example app.
Sure a Trillion dollar company can make it more polished; but essentially they work the same.
What is âengerâ?!
Donât needlessly confuse yourself even before you even get started.
Desktop distro, sure.
Firefox doesnât provide an embedding API, or SFOS could pretty much do that too.
Just fix your setup. SFOS doesnât do this nonsense.
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Whatâs wrong with the available Signal or Telegram clients?
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Hm, Fernschreiber hasnât seen an update for a long time. Would like to see more features added if possible.
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no encryption, no calls and no security patches?
It is clearly bull that it would be the case across the board. How did you come to that conclusion?
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