Just to play devils advocate, this used to cost 50€ and 25€ for the last 2 years. Lifetime.
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For completeness’ sake, the convenience of having everything preinstalled, of not having to look for a suitable (usually second hand) device and of not technically voiding your warranty by installing ‘unsupported’ (by the manufacturer) software is also worth something.
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I agree. I’m advocating for a full actual product for years.
While I understand many being underwhelmed with the specs, ultimately these should be enough for the current state of sfos and for the foreseeable future.
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Waaaat!! JOLLA MUG! #mewants
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If paying more than €50 allows Jolla to implement RCS, Android Auto alternative, better smartwatches support, better browser, banking apps support, etc., then it’s totally worth it IMHO.
Obviously the previous fee wasn’t enough to support a full development.
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That’s exactly what I said at the beginning of the campaign, and this is what I hope as well.
I am of course long enough on this ride to expect literally the bare minimum if not even less, but I still have hope 
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Not something for Jolla (or any OS) to do.
How much of support is actually left - when does it get into circumventing active anti-support from said apps?
If you set your expectations too high, you always get disappointed.
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At first you need something usable. Build it and they will come (the users first and then the companies).
The new HW is cool and all but i havent seen any targets or “roadmap” (note the quote marks) for quite a while now (on the SW side).
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Of course it is on the OS side, like having bluetooth for AAS, or building a compagnon app to link smartwatch and smartphone.
Or revive this? Case study: Sailfish Watch | Jolla Blog
This part is definitely not something for an OS to do. This is for third parties; and at least two such apps already exist.
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Heres the hard bone to bite I guess; giving in to the establishment (android) or trusting one’s own legs (native apps)? Banks wont spend a dime for native versions of their apps.. on the other hand, android is a comodity for hw manufacturer like jolla…ooops, hw and sw , so why should they care… Leaps of faith, leaps of faith. .
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I literally have no idea what you mean to say by all that indirection and paraphrasing.
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Hi, fellow Sailfishers. This is my first real post so please dont be very harsh on me.
I know about SailfishOS since the late 2010s. The OS looked very interesting and unique, because it has its own software suite like DE, app store, android app support which works better than waydroid, and it looks more production ready than others like Postmarket or Ubuntu touch. But the C2 phone looked really budget and Sony 10 phones are also budget but a bit better than C2 though. And the licence cost money at the time and I was not sure if I wanted to move to a new OS and pay for it. So i never tried it. But very recently i was looking to change my phone to a Linux because I have this idea that Linux will sometime emerge (maybe after 10 years but still) in the phone scene and i am now ready to transition and support smaller European creators. I was thinking about Fairphone 6 with Ubuntu touch, but it had problems porting because problems with Halium and Waydroid is a real hit and miss in compatability of apps and low performance. I did not want Fairphone 4 because it is crap today. But then one day out of the blue, Jolla phone is becoming announced. I looked at the website and specs and early bird price and thought-wow, this is really amazing!
Yes I know SailfishOS has own problems I have been spectating your forums a bit. But for example AAS fix for webbrowsing is adequate for me. Also yes hype for me has died a bit, but I am not saddened by new post for specs. I think CPU is very adequate and GPU is good enough. Still most people here dont buy this for playing call of duty mobile or something. Storage ram and microsd is very good I think we can have longlasting phone with such memory. Its not flagship phone and RAM situation is very hard now so its no problem that Jolla chose to have older but still quality storage and memory. Its not flagship performance level phone after all. And also removable battery-wow! Also good camera sensors. And two sensors in the back not one! Looking at Linux competitors this for now cost less and gives much more. So for hardware I think Jolla did a very good job because it will have 2026 Linux phone with best specs so far and native software support. And support from community which I hope will grow and foster. Yes theres argument to be made that if it has Type C video then the CPU and GPU could be better and storage and RAM faster. But we dont know if it will get it at all and I dont know what I cant do in a phone that I would do in a video out mode. But if you guys want video out, I really hope you get it.
Argument for price. I read oh it costs like flagship but specs from budget Android. Budget android it will lose support fast, it doesnt have removable battery, system can be full of ads. And yes big companies have good contracts with RAM sellers, Jolla is small and doesnt put out a lot of phones every year so it doesnt have good contract, logic. Also Jolla said this phone will be tested and assembled in Finland. So European people doing work for big wage. Chinese people work for small wages and thats why we get things for cheap. Also mass produce product always costs more but theres less room for customization, thats how it works. Also Jolla has own OS and workers also get wage to develop it. Android people dont have such big issue. And also dont forget that Jolla wants and has to have margin to have profit. And you pay VAT. So I understand why Jolla has this price set 599-699 without early bird. But early bird price firstly was 499 so for this price you definitely get a lot of value from money I think.
Now a question to the public-is it possible to inject root to AAS and inject Magisk modules? Because android users also have same problem as AAS users-need to hide custom rom and stuff to get working apps. But for android, you can root your phone, get new valid fingerprint and keybox, hide root and bootloader traces and things and you can get a lot of apps to work. Even stuff like revolut works if you have all this set well.
So far thats i want to say. I end this with good note and I hope I am not troubling you with my post. I do truly hope that people and community will be bigger friendlier and prosperous after this phone launch, and everyone will focus software development on one good phone than five but worse phones and SailfishOS will emerge as next mobile OS pioneer.
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Please; no side questions - yes, not even in big chit-chat threads like this.
The information will get lost for when someone else has that question.
I also think this question is misguided - but that’s all i’ll say here.
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that’s why Jolla should go for supporting IMS Data Channel technology! That will be the future of the apps: you call your bank, insurance company pizzeria and you get its context aware mini application inside your call and you do you what you were intended to do in that context…
well, well…
cost of labor for such devices is not that big, many things are automated in assembling such devices. what made China some advantage here, even when Nokia had its own factories back in the days, that literally everything “was made and available in the same street“, in other factories, while everything had to be shipped to Europe (or anywhere else) that had some cost. not to mention when some change was needed during manufacturing - it is available from the same street, you know 
, “next day” in China but it took ages for factories in e.g. Europe…
someone might asked before but what about double-tap? fingers crossed, it will be available, too…
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I hope to get a stable phone with fluid working on it and without google or apple tracking and datacollecting. It may not the last hyper hardware, but this is not necessary and it will cost a lot more.
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I don’t understand this hardware discussion generally. There are hundreds or maybe thousands of good phones existing. Sold in amounts of 100thousands or some millions to the public, so it’s proven that this IS the hardware people do want. Why not choose a good one, order a bulk of them from the manufactorer in china in unflashed state and flash them with SFOS initially?
Chip manufacturers don’t hide their chip specs and drivers!
Another idea I would like very much:
A kit of single parts (housing, pcb, knobs, accu cell, speaker,…) for self assembling the phone at home. I hope this is understandable… (german: Telefon in Einzelteilen als Bausatz verkaufen, damit Kunde es selbst zusammenbaut.)
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For almost a decade now the problem for sfos regarding the average consumer (at least one of the big problems) is that you have a very hard entry point.
You need to find a random old device, have a PC, flash it once or twice, and then buy a license if it’s officially supported.
That is already extremely inconvenient for the vast majority. How is building your own device and creating a port yourself is even considered in this case as a solution compared to a full product (j2)?
Unless ofc you meant something different and I didn’t get the point!
Could it be that you are suggesting Jolla should order a generic Chinese device and flash sfos on it?
If yes, we have C2 for that 
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