“Install this app” seems to me perfectly valid answer to a newcomer coming from Android/Apple where “install an app” is the standard operating procedure. What else? We complain often enough that the browser is out of date, the best we can do is to tell people to install alternative browsers, whether Atlantic or Fennec from f-droid. Or live with the outdated FF ESR. There really isn’t another solution.
“calls keep dropping” is the kind of of bugs that only Jolla can solve, if at all, and it will take them months. In the meantime “restart this service using CLI” is annoying but is a workaround.
What annoys me personally in the interaction with new users are the “have you search the forum” answer.
If you don’t have anything nice to say… Why waste your time writing that?
What’s the value when answering a newcomer? At best, there is value in reminding old timers who forgot about searching, but newcomers probably don’t have the vocabulary to search efficiently and identify potential answers. We should be here to help.
If you spend your day hanging around on the forum so you’re the first to read the newcomer questions, and you really know the answer is out there, it does not cost you much more time to search for it, copy the link and actually be helpful.
“Spoonfeeding” will only lead to more questions and expectations like that.
And I was, am and will definitely be helpful. But in a way I like to be.
Not the way how our “give me the answer - I am too lazy - or unexperienced and do not want to learn just consume - …. “ newcomers and young timers or any other would like.
Giving a substantial answer with some key words or hints, yes. But research on their own.
My 2¢. I find unvarnished reactions (even rants) interesting to read. They help me set my expectations and sometimes provide interesting details that I need to watch out for.
The full quote without the ellipsis is “If you don’t have anything nice to say, then don’t say anything at all”. What I meant with that is “RTFM” isn’t actually an answer. Don’t clog the forum with non-answers, keep them to yourself.
G R E A T. What is your problem with a forum where people ask questions and get answers? You’re not obliged to read or answer. Again, my opinion is that if you have nothing useful to say, use alt-tab and continue with your other activities.
It is perfectly fine to add “next time remember to first search” said with nice words after a real, useful answer. Such that you educate the particular newcomer to become a seasoned forum user.
The next newcomer won’t know of the previous, spoonfeeding newcomer#1 does not lead to more questions and expectations from newcomer#2.
Aurora store for android.
For Sailfish the ones recomended at puremaos instructions. from storeman/ openrepos and chum.
The finnish is missing from those. so if finnih is wanted android apps for maps/navi neesds to be used.
OsmAnd works nicely for nav.
Althouhg I have stanalone big Garmin at my car. Don’t like using cell phone for nav. Need to talk with it. Or play music fom spotify
Sorry I was not clear inaf. I like to use Here We Go and You have got voice navigation work whit it. I got that Google speech recognation & synthesis from Aurora store but what is that “other” tts vocalizer what You are using to get voice guidance to work whit Here We Go and where You downloud it?
From aurora store.
I was not clear , the other TTs is vocalizer , but it’s not actually used. It is ( or any other TTS than google) needed just to make android settings not to crash. When there is an other voice engine to select the selection function is working and you can select the google.
So in the end the google engine is used.
Just got mine a couple of days ago and the gesture system took a little while to figure out, but it’s quite seamless when you get the hang of it especially when you have used the gesture system in Android.
Most if not all Android applications i use work, even the Bank app i use, wow!
Though i am having a hard time finding any information on this OpenRepos thing, am i supposed to just download the rpm and install it normally like you would do on redhat systems with rpm?
Aswell i would like to know how to customize icons, is there a .icons folder that i just slot into?
How do i find the “raw” application names etc.
I maintain icon themes for linux so porting them to my Jolla phone would be a fun challenge
Just install the Storeman Installer rpm, that’s the idea. OpenRepos carries the installer for Chum, the third store.
[edit]No idea what synapses were misfiring when I wrote the initial post. Sorry.[/edit]
Forums are always an odd place on the internet, and rarely free of friction.
Maybe we’re all a bunch of old grumpy tech grannys/grandpas, BUT theee’s a difference between a question asked in a neutral way and a rant let loose about how the product is basically shit and nothing works and so on.
We “old timers” witnessed the birth of Jolla while the remaining two krakens began to split up the mobile market between each other. That was long ago, and we’re still here. We witnessed when things really didn’t work, we bricked phones because of Early Releases, we jumped from one SFOS device to the next, sometimes buying multiples of the same (I have 3 JP1 which still work, just bragging here). Please understand that some of us (me absolutely included) will look down on “newbies” raging over problems without asking nicely how to solve these (as those can often be fixed without having to touch anything technical). As I wrote in another thread not long ago, I use SFOS since day one but am forced to have Android phones on the side (though flagships, none of these qualify as MY daily driver). Getting into SFOS required reading, learning and controlling myself because unlike “walled gardens” there’s a lot of freedom and power inside these devices. I do not want skriptkiddies to exploit what can be done but have them stick to their Droids/iOS pre-made no-think ecosystems. I welcome everyone who likes to pour heart blood into SFOS usage and development, and I don’t NEED users willing to water down every forum and every request with their personal grievances. Time will tell how it turns out, I don’t want SFOS to become another money- and data-harvesting consumer device.
Cheers
One aspect is the different user experience. This is a question of personal preferences. For me, SailfishOS (SFOS) so far provides the most pleasant UI and UX but I am used to it for years now. I have an iPhone too and it is terrible - for me. Nothing works as expected with the iPhone - for me. That’s why I almost never use it.
Another aspect are missing features, quirks and the like that hopefully will be resolved over time.
For me, the first aspect is fundamental. I do not want an iOS or Android-like experience. But as I said, this is a personal preference.
On the other hand, there are features that I also miss and that are all addressed in the forum. And that is why the feedback of new users is helpful: I am so much used to SFOS that I might not be aware of some of the shortcomings. So complaints in that respect should be welcome.
Welcome aboard @masen !
Icon theming is a bit of a pita because icons are saved in different locations depending on the app type:
Jolla first-party icons /usr/share/themes
Native apps /usr/share/icons
apks /home/defaultuser/.local/apkd-bridge
App .desktop files are under /usr/share/applications (For jolla and native apps) and ~/.local/share/apkd-bridge (for apks)
Unfortunately, the system doesn’t seem to recognize icons under ~/.local/ or ~/.icons.
Long story short, since I really like the Numix Circle and MeeGo icon sets, I started working on an “engine” that handles all the hassle and places icons in the correct folders for you.
Take any svg icons you already have, rename them, place them in the appropriate folder, and then run the script to build the package (or push them to Github and let actions build it for you). Feel free to message me if you need any help!
Page 272 of ‘Introduction to Psychology’ by Ernest R. Hilgard and Richard C. Atkinson, 617 p. 1967
This was a standard work first year study psychology.
A nice work on consumer manipulation is ‘The Hidden Persuaders’ by journalist Vance Packard, 1957.
