“Just try going to mtvuutiset.fi with the native browser—nothing works, and both the phone and the browser lag like crazy. It is actually the only news site I visit daily.”
I opened this site with the native browser on my Jolla 2 without any problems. I only needed to wait two seconds for things to appear. After that initial hickup, everything worked quite fine.
Definitely.
No idea why he mentioned Warehouse (looking at my my N9x0 in the drawer 
), but that one was/is for Harmattan.
And also no idea why he linked the mirror by @WunderWungiel (thx), but that is fine.
For the records, the official/original one:
–edit
As @Schlens edited his post, I do so as well.
And list again the mirror of openrepos, hosted by @WunderWungiel (a trusted member who did so for Fremantle and Harmattan as well)
@Schlens please edit your post!
The 1000 cuts…
I’ve been on the forum for a while, ran Sailfish OS myself from the XA2 and 10iii, and am well-versed in Linux subculture as well. While I can’t tell you how I felt about the honeymoon phase all those years ago, I have some specific issues that plagued my experience with daily-driving the XA2 that feel suspiciously familiar here.
For onboarding: Importing info didn’t feel that bad as a long term Android user, logging into my Google account and importing contacts and calendar events is about as much as I would need, but I also understand some people may need access to other data, such as from their Google Drive, or may appreciate other specifics, like carrying over the text messages and call logs from their previous device. I actually have this complaint going outbound too, as when I returned to Android, all the messages and calls and even contacts I had built up on Sailfish were just… stuck on that old XA2. We have microSD slots on the majority of SFOS-capable devices, yet fewer and fewer Android devices have them, nevermind iPhone. Again, this is an issue with the other companies too, for taking user choice away and building barriers in to prevent the intentional exfiltration of that data.
To divert on the topic of Google Drive, we do have Dropbox, Nextcloud and OneDrive support, which does help for specific users… but supporting parts of this and that feels very disjointed. I only understand OneDrive being there insofar as Microsoft Exchange support being part of the licenses, so it’s really a question of why more of Google systems aren’t implemented if you want to onboard users more easily. Again, can’t say anything about Apple, the walled garden is real, and the only out is an app that Apple themselves begrudgingly built and released on Google Play.
To say there are no familiar apps seems incorrect? Phone, Messages, People (so Contacts), Email, Browser, Camera, Gallery, Media (music), Calculator, Weather, Notes, Documents, Clock, Calendar… If you ask me, that’s all that a phone should have out of the box (emphasis on OUT OF THE BOX). If you want more, you get them from the Jolla app store; this changes the conversation, but like with every phone, Google Play Store, Apple’s App Store, BlackBerry World or the Windows Store on yesteryear’s gadgets, you are beholden to what’s in those storefronts. If the conversation is around privacy, you aren’t likely to be installing anything out of those storefronts anyway. It’s not a moot point, just a different topic.
I would agree that the web browser would solve a lot of issues with app availability and compatibility… if the web browser worked. And no, each user’s self-forced kowtowing to make the browser work for them by shedding services or deciding to use a different gadget or web browser isn’t a valid answer. For reference on where the web browser issue stands, Firefox ESR 115 released in 2023, and I know from experience that it is the last supported version of Firefox for macOS 10.14 Mojave. So by being on Gecko ESR 115, we are now stable with a 2018 desktop operating system and 2023 web browsing specifications. Great, I still can’t get past captcha blocks and websites keep half-loading. These browser bumps feel like the bare minimum when they need to be bleeding edge, especially if users are expected (or even trying) to avoid Android apps and can’t get native SFOS versions for their apps. That said… Youtube does work. Twitch, not so much, the chatbox breaks but I’ll get over that.
It was mentioned that the keyboard tends to miss letters. I feel seen, as I’ve had this same complaint and have had to revise a few forum posts whenever I posted via my XA2. That said, this is user error by consequence. There are effectively no options to configure the keyboard without patches. When the only meaningful option you can change for the keyboard is if the landscape keyboard is splitscreen, sorry, Apple’s virtual keyboard is infinitely superior. I’ll have my Blackberry back if it’s going to be this way.
Here’s a brief summary of what the virtual keyboard needs:
I understand text suggestions are an additional licensed feature, though it would be nice if we could also hide that away if we so choose (without having to uninstall it, also no, I don’t want to clear my learned words, this isn’t a privacy issue, I just want to turn it OFF and back ON).
I see the complaints about the wallet and NFC payment systems, but to that, my opinion is pretty firm: my phone is my phone, my wallet is my wallet. I have observed people desperately logging onto public kiosks trying to recover their smashed iPhone because it has their ID, payment methods, 2FA, the works, and had to tell them that iTunes wasn’t on the computer and no, we can’t install it. Don’t put your life on your phone, that goes regardless of if you’re on Sailfish, Android, or iOS.
As for Android AppSupport, this is a double-edged sword the same as it is on other devices or operating systems, enhanced by the specs of your exact device. I’m still observing OOMs and CTDs on the 10iii with 5.1 but I’m making a more concerted effort to use native apps on the 10iii.
The more time and effort Jolla puts into AAS, the less resources going into the OS proper. That’s the same hole RIM found themselves in a few years into Blackberry 10. I would rather we see improved documentation and SDKs for developing native apps.
To then discuss my other issues, some of which are due to being in America and others just being… bad.
If I can summarize this to actual pain points within Jolla’s control, we need a better way to transition from a non-SFOS device, basic features of a phone, including phone calls, EMS, text messaging, group chats, RCS and the like all must work correctly, we need all sorts of keyboard configuration, WE NEED A CURRENT AND FREQUENTLY UPDATED WEB BROWSER, we need better documentation and a better SDK, and frankly, we need more than a small subset of Sony phones and the rare first-party device. I’d like to run Sailfish on a tablet or palmtop, but the Cosmo Communicator was dropped before 5.x released, and no one’s working on the x86 image anymore.
I see where Sailfish is improving though. It’s just that most of the improvements are under-the-hood maintenance things that don’t matter when the surface is as rough as an unfinished 2x4. Now we add that Commodore is coming to market with a flip phone, an entirely different form factor than what Sailfish OS has been built for this entire time? We don’t know if they’re implementing their own launcher or shoehorning keyboard input or a list-based menu into Silica, nor if the Callback will even release. If it does though, we’re going to be back on these forums having the same complaints, made worse with brand recognition (what’s left of it for Commodore anyway).
Lack of stimulating drinks, I suppose. I corrected the post.
I respect your positions but your suggestions require a company multiple times larger than Jolla. Cutting edge browser, countless officially supported devices, updating the desktop etc.
I think priorities need to be made much tighter for Jolla to not losing it. The browser and under the hood upgrades should have high priority indeed but bogging that down by supporting many devices officially is a bad idea in my opinion.
The callback is also a double edged sword, I have no idea if it will be a net negative or positive for Sailfish.
Regarding the keyboard, I just wanted to put it out there that I personally hands down prefer the Sailfish OS keyboard over the iOS keyboard. I absolutely hated the latter. I can understand it though that this also depends a lot on personal preferences and use cases.
That most definitely works.
While many of things you wrote may be universal over SFOS all are definitely not. Typing does have a haptic feedback and GPS/Glonass… satellites are seen in seconds, used in less then a minute in my lousy C2.
Contact export/import is possible on several ways.
That being expressed of course SFOS has bugs and limitations. Besides many great features.
I had the same experience for years, but this is no longer a problem on the Jolla Phone 2026, which this thread is about after all. In the exact same location where my Xperia 10 II found 7 satellites, accuracy ± 45 m, the Jolla Phone 2026 found 33 (!), accuracy ± 1 m(!), and additionally we now have access to beaconDB for even faster and more precise positioning. And Stumblefish to contribute to beaconDB and improve and speed up positioning wherever we go.
I actually have same issues with gps using Pure Maps. OSM Scout and even Google Maps are quick at locating postition but PM takes ages. Same with Ilmatieteen Laitos-weather app. Shows my location to be somewhere I was at yesterday.
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Posting about conditioning here is on topic when realising how Google and Apple managed to change the behaviour of the world population. They did this with psychological knowledge. If more people knew what Google & Co are up to (Singularity, transhumanism) perhaps they would worry more about the power of these giants. Nephros post about conditioning made sense: it can help to understand how and why most people are accustomed to Silicon Valley’s products and how difficult it is to kick off from them.
A bit off-topic sorry, but that tools of yours, love it! 
Got a starting look im quite happy with, here is a preview (excuse the messily marked image, just keeping tabs on what to change) 
Damn that’s nice! You got your first user already 
happy to hear you’re enjoying Muoto 
This is not fully correct. App .desktop files for Android are stored in ~/.local/share/applications.
This is also the place where you can add your own .desktop files, i.e. menu icons.
Unfortunately, the system doesn’t seem to recognize icons under ~/.local/ or ~/.icons.
Not the short names, like harbour-meecast, but the full path can be used in .desktop files, e.g.
/home/defaultuser/.local/share/icons/harbour-meecast.png
It’s ~/.local/share/applications for .desktop files, for the icons you’d use ~/.local/share/apkd-bridge/launchericon
Correct, you can use full paths, never said otherwise, but this is not how most DEs actually behave.
Sailfish OS doesn’t look for local icon paths under ~/.icons nor ~/.local/share/icons and app icons are not overridden. At least until 5.1, I don’t know whether 5.2 behaves differently.
These guys were so smart, they were finally able to copy - paste the Russian scientist Ivan Pavlov (awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1904) 60 years later 
Classical West World! Good Work 
You do realize that the idea of introductory books is to present previous scientific research, right?
There is just not enough popcorn in this world.
Everyone says Pavlov’s dogs or Pavlovian response. And we’re still aware that the Soviet Union shot the first satellite into space. Etc etc. You’re barking at your own shadow.
Right, but in thise books must be the reference inckuded to the original source 
then its ok.
