Android apps report Sailfish as rooted and unsafe

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#27

Come back here in a few months, or years, or decades time - when Sailfish has a significant and competitive market share to ios and Android in Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa etc, with a mature and fully developed range of native apps which make any use of a competitor operating system such as Android or ios unnecessary, and I will agree with you wholeheartedly and proudly that Sailfish OS is no longer a hobby OS for enthusiasts but a proper commercial alternative to the current duopoly across those regions.

Until then its all just hopes and desires and things written down on bits of paper.

#28

As long as it is necessary to flash the OS by ourselves, Sailfish cannot compete with others. When Jolla 1 came out there were high expectations of becoming a third smartphone brand that everone could use. The business model that we see now (adaptation of the OS to new Sony models and flashing with a license) is not attractive enough to optain a large market share.

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#29

the installation is not for anyone. this is making things even more complicated. i had my Sony in one hand and i thought I’m tired of all of this, so i gave up on the installation. i didn’t want to go through what i been through with BB10. this and a few other reasons… but this too.

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#30

Flashing an officially supported Xperia device is as simple and takes as much time as posting this reply. Don’t try to tell people it’s something that takes some special skills.

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#31

I get the feeling everyone’s a bit confused here. That isn’t a Sailfish or AOSP issue, that’s an issue with Google’s own proprietary SafetyNet. If you so happened to disable Google services on an unrooted, unmodified Android-powered device (even the Xperia 10 iii where I’ve disabled Google and its services, and only have it signed in under a work profile) you’ll experience the exact same issue where those apps consider the device unauthorized. This isn’t a security issue, more an authentication issue, where it expects Google to be working, but it isn’t, and that freaks it out. My banking app, downloaded through Aurora Store, did not work outside of my work profile because I disabled Google services.

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#32

I agree with WedgeStratos. In my case 2 of 3 banking apps work with Aurora store.
→ Perhaps a list of supported banking-apps could help in future (something like VoLTE-list)

My personal work-around for the next time:
I only have two important apps, that actually don’t work with Sailfish. I need them once a month or once a year for authentication. In this case, I use a usual Android-tablet of our family. And hopefully it will be possible to do all things on Sailfish in future :wink:

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#33

Would you be able re-test with 4.4.0.68?

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#34

With 4.4.0.68 now all three of my banking apps (Germany) and a further insurance app work.

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#35

I can confirm this. Just updated to 4.4.0.68 Vanha Rauma. Now the app is running and I was able to log in. Bookings I have not yet tried, but think that works then also. It was yes the rooting problem.

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#36

It is true that now no app complains about a rooted phone, that is awesome. But unfortunately I still have one app that refuses to work - mObywatel - Polish government app for documents like id, driving license, car registration, covid certificates.
It still says that my phone is using encryption and asking me to disable it, then it shuts off… Only other reports of this message I saw are Samsung Knox users.

#37

You are complaining in the SFOS Forum that your phone does not give the app of your rulers full access to your phone? What about writing the gov instead of here? They are the one living by stolen.money by extortion, not Jolla.

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#38

Just pointing out that compatibility layer on SFOS is still not quite the same as just running Android, even AOSP.
But yeah, I know it is the issue with the app creators putting up arbitrary barriers, and I definitely don’t like the current government either.
It is just a pity the app doesn’t work, the only reason I had to carry my old Android phone for last year.

#39

I have more problems with AOSP without GServices tbh, SFOS never complained about missing GSF (maybe it is partly included) in my case, but I don’t use much Android stuff and for dealing with our enslavers (gov) I went back to letters by real mail. A demand to remove encryption is quite harrassing imo

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#40

Would you mind opening an extra anti government and conspiracy theory thread to enlighten us somewhere else? This seems rather OT.

#41

Government requiring you to use iOS/android to perform basic functions is now a conspiracy theory? My provider recently disabled their online support and it is now only available through their app (available to BOTH systems yay), not sure if someone in china now can function with os that is not ios/android as they cannot check if they are allowed to leave their homes or not without an app

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#42

Pls read the citations. I personally do not like any sort of interaction with my government or some companies online. I actually keep an extra so called Idiot Phone.

They were:

#43

Your replied dissing his choice of using snailmail to deal with gov when it provides only ios/android app calling it a conspiracy theory, he has a point, with programs like obama-phone only providing android phones soon snailmail might also be dropped and you will be required to carry a spy-device on you whether you like it or not (already happening in china with their zero flu policy), but enough OT

#44

I replied suggesting that his comments on governments are OT. I did not say anything about anyone’s choices on communication media.

And… Obama? srsly? China?
Pls stop before you come to the form factor of the planet I might only dream of living on. :roll_eyes:

#46

It seems to me, as some of you have already noted, that some of the discussion here may be veering off topic a little. In the interests of keeping things clean and clear for other users, I’d be happy to split off the conversation (my suggestion would be from post 39 onwards) into a separate topic. It would still retain a link to the parent thread.

If you would like me to do this, so that you can continue with the conversation, please let me know.

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#47

@flypig Splitting is imho OK. The problem @apozaf points out is a real one! Increasingly all citizens are forced to use one of the OS’es from the two big A’s to fulfill citizenship obligations and remain legally capable. Imho this is not a joke but a serious problem.

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