2nd smaller Jolla Phone according to the poll

[Kanthal]

@Stan.smith

This phone is 147 mm length, comparing to all other phones on the market it can be definitely called a small phone. By looking at new Jolla phone you can say that the length of it will be at least 1.5 cm longer.

158 x 74 x 9 mm, that’s from Jolla.
I can’t understand how 1cm taller is a deal breaker for you, especially in sfos where you don’t even need to move from the middle of the screen to do most stuff and gestures.

[attah]

@Stan.smith

Sorry, the mechanic of replies in this forum got me confused.

What’s to get confused about? You highlight my text and press quote.

@Stan.smith

Oh, you can just send me a link if such discussion has already happened.

The Next gen Jolla Phone thread is chock full of smallphone brigading if you call that discussion.

I meant the explanation:

@Jolla

The device size goes in hand with the screen size. Now, in our volumes we’re dependant on availability of existing screen modules from the component vendors which we need to match to the 5G SoC platform without massive PCBA redesign (the “motherboard” of a phone). After thorough digging and negotiations we have found couple of options which would be smaller than the industry “standard” for this type of product (which tends to be nowadays 6.5” or more), and which we could apply with the 5G SoC platform. Thus, it looks like we’ll be able to realise the product with a smaller than 6.5” display.

Basically; they heard the ~6.0 sort of target - and went as close as they could. Still asking for 5.0 when knowing this is frankly ridiculous.

[Stan.smith]

Because the most comfortable is 135 mm and my current 147 mm already feels like a maximum stretch, it is not great. So plus 11 mm is just a completely different experience. People choosing 5” in the poll is not just a whim.

[ApB]

@Kanthal

even need to move from the middle of the screen to do most stuff and gestures.

Close an app, reach on the top of the top gesture menu to lock the device or select one of the buttons there.

[Stan.smith]

Well, Jolla definitely did a good job that their display is honestly closer to 6” than to 7”.

[Kanthal]

The way I would see it if “the problem” was me (let’s say small hands).
Add toggles I don’t use at the top plus ambiances = I can reach the toggles I want on swipe down.
Closing the apps = I am not part of the constant closing apps culture. So I long press on Home Screen when I have to close apps.
Lock the device = there’s a button for than and its where it should be.

I’m not saying that the above should be treated as the norm, but if this is what prevented me from using my device, I would do what I described.
Or just move on with my life, one of the 2.

@Stan.smith

Because the most comfortable is 135 mm and my current 147 mm already feels like a maximum stretch, it is not great. So plus 11 mm is just a completely different experience. People choosing 5” in the poll is not just a whim.

Got you. Your best bet is to port sfos on your favorite device, or pay someone to do it, or find a device with a port that’s close to your preferred size.

[ApB]

One fix -and i think already proposed- would be to get the top menu to land in the center of the screen but that has other problems also that will most likely create inconsistencies.

Obviously you can close apps with more gestures but that adds steps.

[jojomen]

@Stan.smith

I read a lot of sarcasm in you response. My whole idea for the initial post was specifically about the size of the phone. This is a deal breaker for many people, because this is only about comfort of holding it in hand and interacting with the screen in one-hand mode.

I realize I was more sarcastic than I intended. My apologies for that, I didn’t want to be entirely dismissive. I was one of those who voted for a smaller phone than what the J2 became, and in general I agree with you about the reasons for that wish.

However, it is also clear to me that any actual phone will have to address conflicting needs and thus will always be a compromise. There is no way you can just pick e.g. a screen size without also considering the rest of the package.

And I think we have had a little too many individual posts, in too many threads, referring to the vote and arguing for a smaller phone without any regard to any of the other factors. Just as we have had a little too many such posts arguing over the 3.5 mm jack based on the vote (this was higher up on the list than replaceable battery, SD card and dual-SIM). Votes for one option have to be weighed against all the other options.

Fact is, though, that Jolla will go ahead with one phone - and we know the size of it. This will of course influence people’s decision to buy or not to buy the J2, but the phone is what it is, for now.

Having said that, I think your post is among the more constructive and that starting a separate thread for this is a good thing. That way, we can potentially work out what a smaller phone should be like - including all the other parts of the spec - and pitch that as a follow-up model when Jolla have the manpower to start a new design.

My post was half serious, half tongue-in-cheek. Serious in the sense that I put together a more complete spec sheet, even though I picked some options on a whim. Tongue-in-cheek when I suggested that 2000 likes would take this to production. (But seriously, pre-order will have to reach that, at a minimum.)

So, the J2 will be 6.something inch as announced, but it is fine to discuss a potential new phone with a smaller display, in my opinion. This thread is a good place for that.

[Stan.smith]

Is not porting like an abnormal thing that will lead to bugs? I mean if it is so easy and common, why SFOS is not available for all android devices officially?

[attah]

@Stan.smith

Is not porting like an abnormal thing that will lead to bugs?

What does this even mean? I take it you are not a developer.
The J2 is going to be a made-for-Android platform too, as nothing else even really exists.

@Stan.smith

I mean if it is so easy and common, why SFOS is not available for all android devices officially?

It isn’t trivial, nor quick. But it is mainly about community size. Pretty much anything that gets e.g. Lineage could, with effort, have SFOS. Only someone has to do it. And that could well be the people behind your favorite tinyphone kickstarter. Seems like a much better avenue than trying to get Jolla to make one.

Official is another matter - do you have any idea how few people are pulling this miracle off?

[Kanthal]

Because sfos doesn’t have a huge user base. There are already a lot of community ports for the size of this community.
That aside, I have some community ports with ancient devices that don’t have bugs some officially supported devices have.

For the rest Attah already replied.

[williamb]

Without wanting to take part in your discussions, your speeches move away from the initial subject and take more and more of a political turn.
I don’t think you’re in the right place for this debate…don’t you think so?

[Fuchur84]

Trump doesnt protect anybody apart from himself anymore… the Nato (mainly the US) and their legacy are what protects the EU (and I would arguee the Urkaine did too… they showed Putin that it is very troublesome to attack us and if they cant take the Ukraine, Europe itself isnt going to be an option for him to take anytime soon), but Trump is not very much into all of the Nato anymore.

Anyway: We are not here to discuss politics but to talk about Sailfish. So lets keep that up here please.

[Kea]

Europe now has rules about sustainability. The devices you mention do not comply to these rules.
Fairphone does, Nothing and Shift do comply . The smallest is Fairphone 6 and it can’t be smaller.
Jolla 2 will have a medium size, approximately the same size as a Volla 22 and like a Fairphone6. If you fancy Sailfish, than a Jolla 2 is a unique opportunity to get acquainted with it.
When you see Sailfish on that device surely it will not be a ‘deal breaker’ anymore.

[emva]

@Stan.smith

I mean if it is so easy and common, why SFOS is not available for all android devices officially?

Hi @Stan.smith, read this, it is a nice explanation how Android, Android App Support, Sonys binary blobs (drivers) work together.

[smyru]

@attah

Do you have any, you know, facts and figures to back all that up?

Of course, 100% of my phones are XA2.

[GiT]

Yes!
And put a freaking God damned 3.5mm headphone jack like you did on J1.
…Then I’ll buy your new thing.

[sanginteret]

To all who call for a smaller phone: try to find a screen.

Have a look: Alibaba Search Results

All you will find are 16:9 5.5-inch screens.

Dimension-wise, you get something like 70×120 mm; add a frame, and you have the width of the J2.

Let’s check the small phone market:

• Unihertz Jelly Max → HD LCD 5-inch

• Bluefox NX1 → HD LCD 4-inch

• Ikko MindOne Pro → Full HD square OLED (86×72 mm, 2 mm smaller than the J2)

• Clicks Communicator → 5-inch OLED (130x79 mm, 5 mm wider than the J2)

LCD is a no buy for me, premium device can’t be LCD, and a good chunk of the under 300€ smartphone are Oled nowadays.

Small square screens exist because of folding phones and IoT devices. They are easy to find:

Alibaba Product Example

The screens you are all asking for are not on the shelves, and custom screens require a huge minimum order.

[ApB]

On the XZ2c (i ll maintain the opinion that this was the most fitting device ever to run SFOS) i had the screen was LCD and while not the greatest ever it was ok. Did what i wanted it to do.

I’d always exchange screen quality for pocketability and one hand use.

[rgsidler]

Actually I am very happy with the big screen on the C2. I am 65 years of age and for my eyesight, a much smaller phone would be a no go. And by the way, old fingers usually aren’t as good at aiming as younger ones are. I don’t need big letters, but a reasonable size, which in my case is no less than 5.5".