2nd smaller Jolla Phone according to the poll

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Many thanks to Jolla for developing a new version of Jolla phone according to the poll!

I guess I have a question for Jolla team. I wonder, can you guys develop a second phone in parallel with the main one that has already reached more than 7k in pre orders? I am certain that you can call it a success.

My problem is that the size of the phone is an absolute deal breaker for me. I just refuse to use any 6” displays and has not had any such phones. My current phone is Zenfone 10 (which is honestly too big for me, 5.92” display).

My idea is that according to the poll and current success of the main phone creating a second phone with less than 6” display (second winning result in size category) should be fruitful and will satisfy users like me. The second winning result in the category of price also looks great for me, I would totally be fine with something with a price around 800 euro, I care about near the top specs a lot and 512 gb version of Zenfone 10 is great in this regard.

I would also emphasize that I am more focused on the length of the phone (there can be a bit smaller screen-to-body ratio comparing to Zenfone 10), so 145 mm length is an acceptable maximum for me to comfortably hold it in hand. It would be just great if the phone is between 135 and 145 mm in length.

Now to some other context. With current fascist turn in the US and threats to attack Europe Android simply becomes the absolute security risk for all of us, and Europeans need to switch to another OS ASAP. First Trump introduces hostile tariffs, later he will order to block the use of Android services for us or will start mass surveillance.

So your OS is just a life saver in this horrible turn of events. I actually had Nokia N9 with MeeGo and it was one of the best phones for me and such a great user experience.

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Hello and welcome to community! I am sure Jolla is very aware of request for smaller phones. Unfortunately as they had to pick the parts of the shelf and there aren’t to my knowledge that many 5” screens available these days. Or the price of the phone would skyrocket and most of the people would just pick the 6,36” screen with much lower price.

I doubt there will be second phone any time soon. They definitely have their hands full with this phone already and they are supporting multiple other devices. So Unfortunately I am doubtful that they would have any spare resources for parallel development of completely new phone. Maybe next phone could be in the future, who kknows. Still I would recommend to look for example community ports that are done to the SailfishOS. Those might have a little bit screen size

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Edit: This is an honest try to describe the phone we get with a smaller size display and other wishes not fulfilled by the J2. Please understand that this is a compromise dictated by the smaller body, just as the J2 is a compromise to get the most out of its shape. You can’t just get an identical phone, only smaller. Choices have to be made.
But please give the post a like if you would buy the resulting device.

So let’s complete the specs, so people know what they will be buying. I’m basing this on the 2nd most popular option in the original votes, unless the J2 already has that one.

So, the Jolla 2 Mini will come with a 5" IPS display² and 3K resolution¹. It will use the same MediaTek 5G SoC, with 16 GB of RAM² and 128 GB of on-board storage¹. The main camera remains at 50 MP, while the auxiliary gains zoom¹. The selfie camera will get more megapixels² or a wide-angle lens¹.

The J2 Mini will be single-SIM or eSIM-only³, with a 3.5 mm jack² and a 3500 mAh non-replaceable pouch battery in a glued body⁴. If eSIM only, there may be a slot for a µSD card. There will be no fingerprint reader¹ ⁴.

Edit: The Other Half will not fit the J2mini due to the glued body. Instead, and as a stretch goal, we⁵ will make it IP68 waterproof if we⁵ reach 10k pre-orders/likes.

It will initially be offered within the EU and in non-EU European countries² and come at a €779² special pre-order price.

In summary, these specifications should please anyone who was not satisfied with the J2.

Like this post to show that you will pre-order! (A minimum of 2000 likes needed for design work to start.)

¹ 1st choice in poll
² 2nd choice in poll
³ Repairability was #3, SD card slot was #4, dual-SIM was #6; Fingerprint was #1 and 3.5 mm jack came second
⁴ Space is more constrained with a smaller display while main PCB, cameras, connectors etc occupy the same volume as in the Jolla 2. Repairability and slots for second SIM/SD card had to go in order to maximize battery size and accommodate for a 3.5 mm jack
⁵ This is a community-run design. It is going to be fully open and taking place here in the forum

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Not ever going to happen. Don’t set yourself up for the disappointment. Go join any of the Android kickstarters for a small phone and make sure it gets a port. (Not that i have seen any getting sufficient interest).

Rather backwards logic that there would somehow be a correlation between second-choices. On average, for people preferring a given second-choice, all other second-choices will score… second!

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Honestly, the only way to have any chance at a smaller-sized Linux phone in the future is to buy the big ones that exist now. Like you and many others I much prefer smaller-sized phones (the original Jolla phone was a nice size), yet I’m using the Jolla C2 right now, a phone so colossal that ten years ago it would have been sold as a 7-inch tablet. The good thing is that the new Jolla Phone will feel tiny in comparison.

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You are interpreting my post too literally :slight_smile: It’s just my tongue-in-cheek take on this constant cherry-picking of individual poll results, disregarding the tact that any completed design will be a compromise.

So, this is the package of things you get when catering to the wishes that were not fulfilled by the J2. Especially the smaller display. So, the Jolla 2 Mini is a different compromise than the Jolla 2.

If you want it, just like my post. I’m sure we’ll reach 2000 people ready to pre-order :wink:

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You are extremely wrong.
iPhone 6 Plus from 12 years ago is the same height but even wider and had a 5.5” display.
On top of that, Apple was the last one on the big phone race.
We had almost just as tall and much wider phones for 15 years now.

That aside, when someone has a specific number in mind for his phone in most cases it should be mm in width.
Talking about screen sizes without accounting for aspect ratio and screen to body ratio is completely pointless because you can have insanely huge differences in form factor while still having X inches diagonal.

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I think there are people out there wanting a smaller phone, as there are the ones who give up telephony and computing completely, if they don’t get a certain headphone jack. I totally respect that idea.

But I honestly believe that this a small but loud minority. I tried to prove that but all posts according to that were deleted.

If there would be a serious market for these old style mini phones, hardware would exist and we would see these on every corner. We don’t.

For a product that has a very small customer base building exotic hardware is as impossible as it does not make any sense.

According to that certain headphone jack: I will miss that, too. But the world moves on. No more two strokes, no more real cigarettes and finding a decent livery stable to let your horse for work is a pain these days in modern Berlin.

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I read a lot of sarcasm in you response. My whole idea for the initial post was specifically about the size of the phone. This is a deal breaker for many people, because this is only about comfort of holding it in hand and interacting with the screen in one-hand mode. Everything else is obviously should be just the best value for money, as much as developers can put inside of it. So that is why I also mentioned the price. There are a lot of people (2nd result in price) who are comfortable with a higher price up to 800 euro, so my only assumption here that these 2 groups can intersect.

If for compromise I personally can definitely live without 3.5 mm headphone jack, maybe without wireless charge (although it is such an awesome feature and I love it in my Zenfone 10). I don’t care about camera, for the last 5 years all mid-range cameras are just awesome in my opinion, but here all people might agree with me, because we are not the ones who chase the best cameras when we are totally fine with using midrange/up midrange phones. But nobody wants a slow phone, so basic specs should be just as best as price allows (and if internal storage is 256 gb or less there should be a micro sd option, all those downloadable Netflix movies and shooting videos take a lot of memory nowadays).

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All evidence shows that smaller phones community is obviously small, but not irrelevantly small as you try to present it. You miss the fact that almost at any point of time there is at least 1 tech company who creates such phones with top specs.

Nokias, Compact Sony phones, Zenfones. Yes, they gradually go off the market, but this is more like a problem about being unable to understand the consumer of such phones. Apple sold SE’s. And you forget that base Galaxy phones still can be counted as a small phone because of the incredible 91.1% screen-to-body ratio. This phone is 147 mm length, comparing to all other phones on the market it can be definitely called a small phone. By looking at new Jolla phone you can say that the length of it will be at least 1.5 cm longer.

There is a possible explanation that such people are the ones who are the least prone to marketing manipulation of BUY A NEW PHONE EVERY YEAR. This madness created by Apple. The small phone customer base probably likes to change their phones every 3-4 years, so when a company with basic marketing releases the new phone, there are very few customers, because they are just fine with using their old phone for a couple of more years. Nobody could grasp it that you should release a small new phone every 3-4 years, while continuing to sell the old model.

So to finalize my view, we can not expect some great screen-to-body ratio from Jolla, but 80-85% ratio with 135-145 mm body length would be just great.

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All i hear is personal conjecture and wishfulness. Do you have any, you know, facts and figures to back all that up?

Fact: iPhone mini models continue to attract only a very small share of buyers – only 3% in total.

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I point to the poll results of Jolla where 405 people of 983 voted for 5”. This is the main fact for the discussion and the one I mentioned right from the start. And the only assumption here is that this is a unique parameter for many of those voters and they would only buy smaller than 6” phone, so this is a deal breaker.

3% of iphone sales? Seems to be about right, this is at least 6 million phones per year, and here Jolla aims to sell at least 2 thousand.

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And there are possible explanations saying something else. Also ones in capital letters. Do you have any numbers on that?

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A fair amount of small phone brigading was going on. And it is not entirely clear if people saw it as 5.X, 6.X etc. I nearly voted 5 to steer for 6.0.

And all of 3 people will switch over. Your point is?

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Of which 3% are… I personally do not care much about screen sizes. Fact is: Available hardware and the majority of the market is about not so small phones. If one likes that or not.

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This is irrelevant for this discussion. Number of voters for a 5” phone (405 of 983) is a fact here. All I asked: is it possible for Jolla to make a second phone when the main one seems to be successful already?

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They already explained that they couldn’t even if they wanted to. Asking again and again is really rather tone deaf.

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What might be considered irrelevant is the market share of small telephones. Or maybe the percentage of 405 voters who are not buying one of the 7.408 phones now the screen will be of normal size for a modern phone.

And: There is practically no hardware available as explained before.

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My point is that no, these people don’t switch over, there is always some option on the market to stay with a comfortable phone. The worst case is that we are doomed to switch between phone companies. Now I have Zenfone 10, it is cancelled, but fine, Galaxy S25 is not going anywhere soon. The length of the phone is exactly the same.

The problem is that all these phones are Androids, which bothers me a lot with current political climate.

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Oh, you can just send me a link if such discussion has already happened.

Sorry, the mechanic of replies in this forum got me confused.

I was asking for a link to a discussion about another smaller phone to be developed.