Because, other than the reasons I explained previously, there is one more reason: Jolla was a pioneer in user interface through gestures over a decade ago.
A lot has changed in a decade and Jolla is no longer a pioneer in an unexplored area.
The world has evolved and some usage patterns (like swipe up to minimize the current app) have become so ingrained in multiple operating systems that it is counterproductive to ignore especially if Jolla wants to attract people used to gestures on other operatimg systems.
The other reasons you explained were âI am used to itâ.
âMultiple operating systemsâ are Android and iOS, which is the point behind the âother reasonsâ. Makes a total of one reason.
You are saying the same over and over again.
A decade ago this might have been considered a good reasoning. But times have changed and you should move on. I told you that before and btw everybody else has. People are used to it.
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Why do you want to minimize an app in SFOS? To look at an empty screen? Either you want to open a new app (swipe from bottom and use the app launcher) or you want to check the notifications (swipe from the side).
In Android it works differently because you can place the icons on the home screen, but I wouldnât say that Android is a good reference in terms of usability. Most of the times you need multiple gestures to do what SFOS does with one single gesture (e.g. close an app).
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Who are you? I donât remember discussing any of this with you.
But I can spare a small explanation for you to help you out: you are conflating the qualitative aspect of not following the de facto rules with the temporal aspect of being too late to try something radically different.
Those are two different things even if you personally find it difficult to understand.
Why do I want to minimize an app?..
Now, that is some question alright.
You should ask Jolla.
After all, Jollaâs sailfish os user interface has a gesture to minimize an app.
Maybe Jolla can help you with that mistery.
You didnât answer the question. If a swipe up would minimze an app, how would you access the app dtawer? The swipe up minimize gesture wasnât available on old Android or Ios versions.
What do you mean I didnât answer the question?!
He asked why I would ever want to minimize an app.
Who else better to answer such an excellent question than Jolla, who invented such a gesture in their user interface for sailfish os?
Now I will answer your question: swipe up from the home screen to access the app drawer, obviously.
Why are you telling me that old android and ios did not have gestures?
Letâs assume I didnât already know that.
What is the purpose of telling me that?
This makes no sense, since you are the only person who can know, why you would minimize an app. I do believe there is at least one reason to minimize an app which is checking information or performing an operation on application cover.
That would increase the amount of swipes needed to open an app, when having one app on focus. I also think it is unnecessary to make all the current Sailfish users adapt to new ways of navigating the interface, unless it improves the workflow. After all, minimizing an app is only one gesture new users have to learn and for that reason, it doesnât affect the learning curve more than slightly.
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You are conflating âlearningâ with âtrainingâ.
So much confusion and conflating on these forumsâŚ
Learning a gesture is easy. It takes one second at most.
Training to actually use it instead of the one already in muscle memory from other operationg systems is the hard part.
But that is not what the discussion is about. Nobody said the old gesture should be taken away.
The discussion is about adding a new swipe up gesture to minimize apps.
But you want to add new functionality to pre-existing gesture that does completely different thing⌠Where does the existing functionality go in your dream setup?
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What gesture and what functionality are you referring to exactly, so I know I am answering the right question?
In my scenario nothing is trully lost (especially if it is left as a user option).
Instead of opening the app drawer, while in an app, swipe up should minimize the current app.
The app drawer can still be accessed with the swipe up gesture from the home screen, as it is now.
But it would be pointless and cumbersome as you want it to be
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For as much as i dislike the noise that @iolala brings, swipe-up conforming to a new de-facto standard is not the worst idea ever. Iâd bet most [desktop] Linux users use Ctrl-X/C/V etc despite having some other command that predate them - and partial conflicts to boot.
I for one have never ever opened the âapp drawerâ on top of an app, and probably never will. And for some context to this; i say this as someone who have never daily-driven any other smartphone OSes than Meego and Sailfish OS - and it is a good 15 years since i used Windows (at home, make that 10 for work).
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But there is not practical difference between swiping up and swiping from the side to minimize.
And by opening the app drawer from the bottom you can get quick access to your apps (a bit like in ubuntu touch). Note that you can also only swipe up a bit to only see the first row of apps.
A useful feature that android has got now is that you can di switch between apps by swiping on the bottom. But i dont know either how this would fit into the sfos ui.
That was my point - despite being redundant, it can still be a good idea.
Again, i already stated this - after however many years since its introduction (i donât believe it was there from the beginning) i still donât care about it on top of another app.
This is in no way unique to opening the drawer on top of an app.
Yea but I and prolly many others use the swiping up feature.
And swiping from the side to minimize works perfectly fine. Changing this would remove a feature just to add a redundant gesture.
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I know this had been off topic for quite a few messages already, but maybe one of the sailors can split this into new topic, if this doesnât die soon on its own.
I think itâs good, that the gestures inside an OS are unified as much as possible, regardless of whether youâre in an app or in the home view. Even if not all users would use all of those gestures. Imagine being expected to use Ctrl+C/V in some parts of an OS and Ctrl/Shift+Ins in other parts of same OS?
I think in SFOS 1.x the bottom swipe (while in app) brought up the events view, but it was changed in SFOS 2.0 to the current functionality.
You have to summon a sailor to this thread by using @ for that to happen.
It is helpful if you clearly denote how you imagine this thread to be spilt:
I assume to sort out all postings primarily addressing âswiping on the UIâ (originally only âto minimise appsâ), âautomatic tile placementâ and âapp drawerâ, starting with message #305 (i.e. #305 should be the starting point / initial posting of the new thread).
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What do you mean pointless? I explained why it is useful.
Being cumbersome is debatable. What exactly do you consider is being encumbered?