I’ll give it a shot, thanks!
I agree with what you said, this is what I believe we get for years on many devices. Common improvements/fixes and nothing to address device specific issues.
That’s why I also wonder if dropping devices would actually help with anything.
It seems my statement wasnt clear enough. I meant dropping support for future Sony devices like 10 VI, 10VII …etc.
Actuall supported devices like up to 10v should get updates for years like stated before.
I can guarantee that they won’t, because Jolla can’t guarantee to produce a ‘great new device’ where everything works.
Many users will not be able, or willing, to keep spending €100s on new SFOS phones on a wing and a prayer of a promise that each new phone will be better than the one that preceded it.
Can you give that guarantee?
I don’t disagree with anything here. I’m just saying that if Jolla could focus on 1-2 devices and actually deliver, many people would be happy.
This will never happen anyway and nothing will change. Jolla will not suddenly do a 180 degree turn out of the blue.
But regarding customers (assuming the above scenario was real), for every user they lose that got a Sony device and kept it for 10 years, they would probably appeal to 100 new customers. So dropping support for old and still unfinished devices wouldn’t hurt them at all if they could ship something new with great software/hardware experience.
They haven\t put out official dimensions for the device right (apart from the screen obviously)?
Dimensions: ~158 x 74 x 9mm
Taken from TECH SPECS-Section here:
Thanks. Didn’t scroll so far down the page. 
Other than being too big the design feels dated already. I get that its a nod to J1 but that design wasn’t great to begin with even for a phone that old. 
It seems designs repeat itself, see the car manufactures and old stuff coming back. I like it. There are too much smartphones out there with the standard industry design looking like a boring iphone or a samsung galaxy.
But this is of course my personal taste.
Yeah, ever since they dangled the “we’re looking for ways to get Android App Support on community ports” carrot (and especially now that the Xperia 10 IV and V are stuck in development hell), I’ve thought they’d make that their strategy: leave the porting to the community and provide App Support licenses to those community ports, to turn everyone who installs a community port into a potential customer. The current community ports apparently all work really well and people seem to be happier with them than with the officially supported ports, so I still think those community ports with Android licenses are the end goal - the fact that commerce.jolla.com lists Sailfish X at the very bottom, below a voluntary subscription and a screen protector, points in that direction.
The only thing i’d love in relation to galaxies and iphones it would be if the new phone had the same or smaller dimensions.
Other than that the design is neither contemporary neither good (personal taste i know). It carries uglinesses of the current (rear camera bulge , front notch) and past (big bezels).
But lets be real i didn’t expect innovation when you have to use as many as possible off the shelf parts.
The size still remains my biggest issue.
The phone has roundabout the length of Xperia 10 III or 5 IV and the width of an iPhone Xr. So it’s also smaller then the C2 if I’m not wrong. Seems okay to my mind.
And as the pictures are still somehow a mock-up maybe the notch could be smaller in the final design.
Technically, yes, but the C2 has strongly rounded corners whereas the Jolla Phone (2) has straight corners, so it’ll probably feel like it’s pretty much the same size.
I come from Sony XZ2 Compact with SFOS Community Port to Jolla C2. In the beginning i thought “what a frying pan!”. But then after a while the device seems to shrink smaller, you acclimate with the size. I still have my XZ2 Compact as spare-device and keep it up to date. When holding it its really like “this is very small” and my eyes dont get any better.
My mother -which is smol- is on a samsug A something.
She hates moving that thing around and complains that it is big and heavy, cant fit in her pockets etc. And of course she has to use both her small hands.
I will never change my opinion that this total disregard for human factors and ergonomics is plain idiotic no matter how someone flips it.
I guess it is quite hard to manufacture so little quantities? 1000 unit sounds like lowest possible quantity that someone would manufacture
Steve Everett:
I agree that the basics of a phone for end-users should function from the start. So a repetition of the C2 adventure would not be wise. Jolla will need more workers to control the new devices before they can be shipped. Nevertheless bugs can appear. If they are being repaired ota in a reasonable time there should be no problem.
Bugs are to be expected in any complicated software product. What is not acceptable is bugs in the basic functionality of a product that take months or years to fix, or are actually never fixed because the company developing that product has now ‘moved on’ to the next product.
I know some will argue that all this is OK because Sailfish is free, but that ignores the fact that customers spend real money on phone models solely based on promises made by the company as to what the combined hardware/software will be able to do. And when this doesn’t happen, or happens months or years later, those customers are understandably disappointed and feel they’ve wasted their money.
Lol… of course it will work fine. It’s their own phone. Don’t be silly.
As I do purposefully refuse to use cordless headphones, it seems that by the lack of 3.5mm headphones jack, I really gonna stay on my beloved X10 III for as long as possible.
Maybe 'till then the issues with the 10V gonna get fixed @last, so I could further enjoy Sailfish OS the way I’m used to.
No 3.5mm port is a real no go for me and a thend I refuse to support by my wallet.
Sorry - no sorry!
P.S.
Otherwise the design of the J2 seem quite nice. One thing I still cannot get - programmable hardware switch does sound to me like a wooden iron. It either cuts the power of the microphone, or it’s not a real privacy switch.
