I was unaware this forum existed before today. I am looking for a Linux Phone to use, but live in North America. I would be very interested in this device
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It will not. That is clearly stated on the product page.
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i have been using SailfishOS in New York as my primary and only mobile phone for over a decade, on the Xperia X, Xc, XZ2c, 10 II, and 10 III.
the current best (only) device that works is the Sony Xperia 10 III, on T-Mobile. MMS is tricky but it works, VoLTE works fine, my reception these days is pretty good, and there are only a few really glaring problems (no 5G, camera requires workarounds to use, and i have to restart pulseaudio after every single call)
you can buy a 10III for ~$100, and see how it goes with the J2 next year. (make sure bootloader is unlockable, the japanese/docomo ones are usually not)
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Not directly. But it’s possible to use remail services. Not sure if they also send into US or UAE.
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Anyway i have asked for a refund for now.
Hey there. I have applied for a refund and send out an email for the same. Can your team please get back on that. Thanks. Much appreciated.
I think you’ll need some patience 
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And maybe he needs the correct communication channels. Just thinking.
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Please consider another alternative to OLED screen. They often come with PWM which can generate eye’s strain and headache for sensible users !
Sony is not the best in that domain like iPhone or Google pixels among others …
IPS screens don’t have these issues
It is well documented on notebookcheck:
It would be grateful if it could be taken in consideration. Lots of users are concerned and even a software patch like they did in lineageos doesn’t solve the problem.
Thank you for this project!
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Screen already have been choosen. Most people seem to prefer amoled and with a so low volume production it would be a nightmare to offer an IPS option.
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Sad!
Amoled are just more difficult to produce and IPS last longer + headache / eye strain for amoled. Amoled are just marketing, even with power consumption there is a very little difference, less than the claim by oled manufacturers. It is a shame that people prefer oled on top of ips !
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@Willdu80 In that case to you know the PWM rate of the choosen amoled screen ?
Will Sailfish provide an alternative software solution like they did on LineageOS and Pixel high end phones ?
You can get an N9 from 15 years ago and put it right next to let’s say Jolla C2. It would be like comparing a new Ferrari with a Yugo.
What do you think is the biggest downgrade going from Xperia 10 III (that is an old mid/low end phone) to C2? The moment you see the washed out LCD display you already feel like you’ve taken 10 steps back on the user experience with the OS.
Oled displays have amazing contrast, HDR, deep blacks, the best viewing angles, save power and physical space on the device.
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Anybody who says OLED is just marketing clearly hasn’t tried using one implemented properly or has really bad eyesight. Kind of like a guy who told me HD was a scam because he could barely see any difference between SDTV and 1080p only to get really offended when I pointed towards how strong his glasses were.
Burn-in is something that’s been mostly engineered out in mobile devices and IPS displays also wear out with clear backlight discoloration that eventually creeps in. Mind you, I say this as someone who has sworn by IPS panel computer monitors since the early 2010s. Yet my laptop uses a Micro-LED display, my phone an OLED and the TV I bought my dad last year is also an OLED. I’ve gotten so sick of the backlight discoloration on my 5-year-old IPS panel TV I would’ve replaced it with an OLED model years ago if it didn’t work fine otherwise and I wasn’t so environmentally conscientious.
Even my desktop monitors will probably get the heave-ho in the next few years now that micro-LED desktop monitors are starting to become available. (Less worried about environmental concerns there because I bought them used).
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lol ! It is just a question of opinion
- HDR what else, we don’t need it !
- IPS has already good contrast (But contrast is not a health metric),
- Viewing angle are more than ok with IPS, it is not TN …
- Save power, yes and no … If you make benchmark you will not see that difference. OLED is more efficient only for dark content. it can consume more power than IPS with bright contents: web browsing, documents, maps, messaging … AnandTech Forums: Technology, Hardware, Software, and Deals
High contrast + PWM flicker + aggressive subpixel layouts ≠ visual comfort for everyone.
I have a Xiaomi Mi 10T pro under /e/OS with IPS screen … It is not 15 years old … Before I had a Mi 9T with amoled and it was ugly : lot of eye strain, headaches, nausea and fatigue.
This is well documented in scientific and technical literature
Sources:
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IEEE – Visual fatigue caused by flicker
Wilkins et al., Lighting Research & Technology, 2010
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1477153510374258 -
IEEE – Temporal light modulation and visual discomfort
IEEE Std 1789-2015
https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7118617 -
Notebookcheck (independent measurements of PWM on OLED phones):
https://www.notebookcheck.net/PWM-Flickering-Overview.163123.0.htm -
Journal of Optometry – Display technology and visual fatigue
Sheedy et al., 2003
https://www.journalofoptometry.org/en-visual-fatigue-from-computer-articulo-S1888429610700011
It is false to say burn-in is gone.
What changed: mitigation techniques (pixel shifting, dimming) with software compensation
What did NOT change: organic materials still degrade unevenly
Source: RTINGS – OLED burn-in long-term test
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test
They explicitly conclude:
“Burn-in is cumulative and unavoidable, only mitigated.”
IPS backlight discoloration exists, yes but it is slow, often uniform, does not permanently imprint UI elements
Let’s see the measurements of this Jolla phone refresh rate and I will take or not …
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You base your arguments over a specific cheap Chinese phone and you talk about pwm sensitivity like it’s the norm.
Some people have a skin condition that doesn’t allow them to be in the sun. While very sad, this doesn’t mean that the sun is bad for the rest of the world.
If you don’t like the display of the new phone don’t buy it. It’s a free market and people choose where to spend their money.
But trying to convince everyone that what they see with their own eyes is not good because you said so it’s a bit of a stretch.
Ps. Also a friendly advice.
You’ve spent exactly 27 minutes in this forum and you’ve spent 25 of them trying to convince everyone why oled is a lie, bad and a marketing term.
If you learned about the phone, came here and this is how you interact with issues (according to you ofc) and the community, I believe you won’t have a great time here in the future.
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I just open eyes on others considerations. What is laughing is considering as an attack …Considering cheap or not smartphone is again matter of opinion ( it was not that cheap : Xiaomi Mi 10T Pro 5G review: Has almost everything that defines a top smartphone - NotebookCheck.net Reviews ). But it doesn’t matter and spending time arguing is wasting time you are right.
I was happy to see this project and I am an active contributor and advocate of opensource since 2005. Thank you for the welcoming. I guess I will spend more time on other project than here you are right again. The closed source app in sailfish is not for me
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I’m happy you figured that out soon and saved yours and our time in the process.
Enjoy!
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Hello. Not sure if this opinion matters, but recently new Jolla Phone initiative got my attention and I also signed up for pre-order. I think general preliminary specification is great. I think it promotes great performance and longenvity. What I’m personally interested about is the camera. Please choose the camera sensor properly. It doesn’t need to be top of the line option, but it needs to be decent. For example Fairphone 6 uses Sony Lytia 700C. This is a great choice. Good price/performance ratio. This Pantone certified sensor makes very clear pictures, both day and night and color correctness is astonishing. Jolla needs to be Jolla and keep its character, but it also needs to be competitive compared to others. Our daily driver needs to catch those daily memories in good quality. 
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The used camera modules were already specified:
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