Next gen Jolla Phone

Higher the resolution/ppi, stronger the GPU has to be and more it needs to compute. Bigger the display there is more to illuminate. All this means higher power consumption from the battery.

Technically correct, but way over-stated. For perspective, 1080p is very common at the moment. 1440p was normal about 10 years ago. At that time, we already had all-day phones that were competent at gaming. I have a phone with a 4k screen from 2017. I’ve had to stop using it now because the software is too old to be safe, but when that battery was 5 years old, it was still an all-day phone under heavy usage when configured for full-time 4k.

GPU and CPU efficiency have come a long way since then, and batteries have got much bigger. Unless you’re doing something like extreme gaming and streaming concurrently on the device, this shouldn’t be a sticking point any more.

At 6”, 1440p should be the absolute minimum. But at 7” 4k would be much more appropriate. I’ve done more of a write-up here.

I should also note, that I’d love for there to be a couple of options so that those who want a cheaper phone can have one, while those who want/need the higher end can have that option. The reason I left Sailfish was because I couldn’t get a supported phone with high enough specs. I really, really want to come back.

I think Jolla would need to have bigger margin than 50€ to be able to support the phone for 8 years (if I remember correct that they promise software support for this long). Of course they might have bigger volume which might compensate lower margin per phone.

The /e/ OS margin is less as that 50€ includes VAT.

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A 6 inch display with 2880×1440px (18:9 ratio) would have 536.66ppi.

Premium-class SoC should be able to render that resolution at 90fps, maybe even 120fps.

Premium-class SoC should be able to render that resolution at 90fps, maybe even 120fps.

I’d expect a premium SoC to be able to do significantly more than that at that resolution considering that phones 10 years ago could do it at 60fps.

disagree. i have no use for more than fullHD, even on a larger 6.5”+ screen. and my phones battery certainly doesn’t either.

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I would pay up to 1000 € for a Fairphone 6 with official SFOS support if SFOS would have eSIM support. (Having any kind of DualSIM is obligatory for me.)

A phone with SFOS pre-installed and good availability of spare parts, repair-services and accessories on the european market would be great.

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disagree. i have no use for more than fullHD, even on a larger 6.5”+ screen. and my phones battery certainly doesn’t either.

Fair enough. Whether you have a visual impairment, or the artifacts simply don’t bother you, that’s your call.

That’s why it’s really good to have a couple of options so that people can choose the device that fits them.

If you’re interested, the link in my original message provides a deep-dive into why it matters.

and my phones battery

Again, it’s undeniable that it will use more battery, but it’s highly over-stated compared to reality.

Hi,
Like many here, (I believe), I don’t, and probably never will.

I feel being a normal person although I have no smartwatch.

I also believe (personal POV only), that nowadays, aim to luxury or over-powerful devices is outdated. Some sobriety would perhaps be a good exercise, maybe.

For me, SFOS is about privacy, freedom and sharing.
I don’t know if the C2 is a good daily driver or not, I don’t own one.
But if the next one is, I’d wish it won’t be reserved to users with luxury/power tastes and means only.

This said, it is evident to me, that good work and workers have to be correctly paid, as well as good hardware.
So, some balance has to be found…

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I agree and so would I, as I don’t trust myself with flashing phones. But do you think that majority would pay that gap if there would be option to flash the phone on their own? Most of the SFOS users seem like technically capable persons who wouldn’t mind to flash themselves

Is this still a hardware thread? (Asking for a friend).

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Phones didn’t do all the photo-improvements, up- or downscaling, in-betweening, Artificial Intelligence and Electronic Image Stabilisation that they do now. …that’s why I state numbers with caution.

A 5.8 inch display with 2160×1080px and variable refresh rate of 10-60fps would be enough for me, especially with the speed tweaks that are already possible in software. (Remember that my daily driver is the Xperia XA2). But most people need a device that allows all those automatic improvements, especially regarding photography and gaming. With a premium attitude towards the hardware they will get most of the bling-bling they want. …and I will simply get more horsepower than I need.

I don’t know why, but for some reason today I just want Jolla to consider making the phone up to 2 cm thick, small enough screen, that it still feels good to hold in your (average) hand, and use the extra volume for a (user replaceable) battery that lasts a week.

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Yes, I want to have this style! Battery time 1 month without recharging should be possible with this form factor, also a big screen and good speakers for music listening. :wink:

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Hey, do create separate topic for fun. Off topic just wastes time of those who want to read on topic.

Luckily for us there are HUGE powerbanks out there so we can focus on the handset component (a.k.a. the phone).

What do you mean with header pins? Do you have a link to a photo?

Me, I’m not gonna carry a spare power bank any more than I’ll carry a second phone around – I’d have to adjust my wardrobe to accommodate – like cargo pants or a man-bag or something, and that’s not really my jam. A device really has to last 16 hours for me to consider it.

The sad thing is that all phones will last 16 hours, depending on what you use them for.

In 2016, Moto Z was released with header pins, extensions, and even dev kits:

https://www.electronics-lab.com/50783-2/