I’m a very new user. Just got a used Xperia 10 III two days ago to try out Sailfish OS due to the current geopolitical shenanigans. To my surprise, it works really well, essentially bug free for me on this phone. VOLTE works, I got all the essential banking apps to work in the Android container, and caldav/carddav/email and wisperpush make this whole thing a viable alternative. Plus I realized I could set a strong passphrase for the LUKS1 encryption, so I don’t need to worry too much about that. Very good experience overall for 48 hours!
Can I basically expect the new phone to equal or surpass an Xperia 10 III, is what I’m asking I guess?
Well I come from a Samsung Xcover7 Pro I bough last year, at the time about 700 EUR. Admittedly huge price given the specs, but I valued the LCD screen (because PWM issues) and the swappable battery. Great phone, Snapdragon 7s Gen3. My “new” Xperia 10 III is underpowered, but I came here for the sovereignty issues at the moment. A good clean experience on an alternative OS is what a lot of us are asking for, not just pure performance stats. Margins for a company like Jolla is gonna be way way less.
Yesss!
That’s THE goal, at the end.
And until that moment, the hole left is just a field of peace and silence.
What is expensive into making a phone, is not the hardware.
It’s the work.
Here, the work cost is spread to 2000-10000 units. Hundreds, thousands less than in your reference phone.
That’s the reason why you believe it is expensive.
Do you think Jolla is “making money on our backs”?
Don’t you think it is normal/fair to pay people for working on a nice rising project?
Designing custom hardware takes a LOT of time (and that = money)
Consumer hardware can be profitable when you have around 100% margin above “production cost” (cost to produce the HW “once it’s designed”, to test it, ship it etc).
Phones are super competitive area, where the profits are really small
However, when you put all three together, you need to account that the cost to “produce” such phone in such small batch can easily be near the 50% mark of actual device cost. And of course, the engineers gotta eat for the next couple years!! they wanna provide you with updates.
So yes, do not expect the device to be “on par” with similar price androids from big techs.
Personally am currently using Pixel 7a, and I can’t wait to get my hand on the new Jolla, even if it won’t be “performance upgrade”, probably…
A low spec model isn’t sold much more (in unite)… than what the Jolla phone (PRE ORDER) has been sold
Well, sure, but once the users will notice that it’s slow, sluggish and has 2015 bezels for 600€, they will loose trust in Jolla. They have a huge opportunity especially now to show that EU tech is a viable and durable option, they can fail on that by shipping a low spec phone at a mid spec phone price… but the cost will be far more on further releases if people lose trust. they have to make there own place, it will not be given and that’s the same for all phone manufacturer.
I’m literally expecting it to be at least on par with half priced phones… really that’s not a lot to ask…
You are wrong. I’m typing this on the HMD skyline and the device costed 500-600€ last year.
And while the device looks nice, it’s trash on the software and hardware department, soc aside.
How do you know that the device will be sluggish?
The J1 from 2014 is still not sluggish.
Also so far it looks like almost 8K people do not mind the bezels.
What do people have against bezels?
I love the bezels for less ghost touches on the screen, better usability, it lies better in the hand if I don’t have to permanently fear for triggering an unwanted touch.
I ‘enlarged’ my phone using a big fat rubber bumper case to avoid unwanted touches, and it feels better in the palm.
This is what the mass market dictated.
Bigger camera bumps, smaller bezels, faster SOC.
When you have nothing else usable to provide to sell the next device, you focus there.
It doesn’t matter if shrinking the bezels more makes the phone less comfortable to use, it doesn’t matter if you overheat the device with SOC power you will never see in most cases, it doesn’t matter if the camera bump is twice as big that the rest of the phone.
I do love technology as well, but there is a point where you get diminishing returns or straight up worse user experience with some “technology advancements”.
Maybe, but I’ve seen a lot of complains for the 2015 Notch tho.
You will want to have a case anyway… so it will be double that…
Jolla provides mostly the OS… So why not keep using the Xperia line of phone ?
If you have a 6nm chip, it will overheat easily compared to a 3nm chip.
No one uses a phone without cases… except tech reviewer that can buy 1000 new phone a months. so it will be even thicker for the average user.
I’m not making enough money to buy a 600€ test phone… even at the locked batch price. it’s not the first time Jolla makes a phone, If I buy a phone, it’s for the 3-4 next years not for the first year where it will be fine because the specs keep it up and the year after it’s slow because they put a low tier chip in it… we’re not talking about a budget phone here… we’re in the mid/mid high tier prices… Come one, they say longevity, then the hardware should follow too.
I want Jolla to succeed, but it’s not by cutting the corner like that that they will… in the long run, we are all losing to those choices, consumers and Jolla.
EDIT : I was so hyped, I wish I could develop apps and stuff for Sailfish OS… but dang I may not buy it if it keeps going that way… It’s going disappointment after disappointment for me…
I said I used it briefly, so yeah… got your point there.
Well, guess that all those responses shows that you could pay a million for a piece of cardboard… Good that you are making enough money for that, I’m not and most of us aren’t
I would pay for anything I see value and invest wherever I see fit like everyone else.
But I have a question for you. What brought you here?
Headlines? Desire to find a Linux phone? Privacy? What is it that piqued your interest that brought you here?
Because what I see from your responses is an Android user thinking this is another custom rom.
Maybe the right call here would be new registrations to have specific limits and specific places where they can post like many forums have.
I can’t speak for everyone, but historical data shows that users like this show up at least once a year and at some point our patience runs dry. At least mine.
@MiMillie.
Yes its expensive and I can’t really afford it but I am not buying the J2 for the hardware. Of course I want something that works well enough but I want to support an alternate to android (google), iphone and other bigtech that make a lot of money on our back and with no respect for privacy (and even workers rights). I owned the Jolla1 (broke the screen) then I used Sailfish on a Sony but definitely it’s not everybody who can (want to take the time) to install themself an alternate rom. I am more than happy to have a phone build with and for Sailfish.
If the J2 is not for you then it’s not. there is nothing much that will change now in terms of harware and price so save some time.
The typical new user that joined 16 hrs ago, read 8 minutes and reinvented Jolla plus explained the world to us in 12 hijacked threads is a pita for me, too.
We have a lot of these since the announcement of the J2. Having a walled garden for our new talents might help.
to all of old expirienced SFOS users, moderators, devs and so one:
if you never will see/read/discuss new questions, same question, ideas, visions and so one, please just close this forum for new registrations If like EVERY new member complain about same things then maybe it is on the time to solve these things instead of saying STFU new member… we are tired to hear about same issue… just btw.
Finding possible solutions:
groundfinding for apps and functions - I see this so: better I will pay for software with many as with my privacy. And I am also ready to pay for apps or even have mandatory subscription with like 10€ per month for all or what ever.
Jolla can collect all those feature requests, put on the roadmap and publish the infos. so all new member can see, what is needed for dedicated feature in money and time
And who exactly is expected to pay for all these changes?
Do these hypothetical new members give even a second thought to the very basic fact that time and resources are limited? I highly doubt it.
10€ from 10 people will not go that far.
If like EVERY new member complain about same things then maybe it is on the time to solve these things instead of saying STFU new member… we are tired to hear about same issue…