Next gen Jolla Phone update - 12/25

[JoOppen]

@Jolla

On the Jolla team we’ll be also taking some time off for the holidays.

well deserved - enjoy!

[rainemak]

Need to correct the price, in batch #3 you lock your special price to 579€.

Please give a look to the memory chip prices and how the global shortage has influenced them. Further, note that it’ll affect to storage prices as a side effect.

[Toperz]

Unfortunately, the market situation is indeed unfavourable, and there are no signs that it will improve in the near future.

[Kanthal]

I don’t think anyone asked for a high end SOC here.
8300 as an example is an upper mid range Soc for phones around 300-500 if I’m not mistaken.

The price of the phone right now is about 600€. I don’t understand why we should be focusing on possible TOHs for example while the SOC that would daily drive the phone could be underwhelming.

As an example, people were happy on C2 announcement and no one cared about the SOC, while I mentioned that I have a tablet with a better Unisoc and it’s trash so I know what to expect.
And sure enough, the moment you open an android app on C2 you feel like it’s 2008 again.

Of course Jolla might tell us that they tested that specific SOC and it was blazing fast with heavy Android apps and had great performance in multitasking, but until then we can’t be certain.

[Brody]

I think the SoC they are aiming for will be fine, I mean the Volla Quintus comes with a 7050 and it’s really fast when using SailfishOS on it

[Pasik2]

I agree. Even Waydroid runs smoothly on the Volla Phone Quintus.

[zlutor]

shame on me, what is pipo here?

[zlutor]

modified prices. Kiitos!

[vattuvarg]

@zlutor

what is pipo here?

The black pipo (tuque or wool cap) was original merchandise at the very beginning of Jolla.

[tyynicore]

Used an Edge 50 Neo with Dimensity 7300 SoC; absolutely nothing to complain about.

[pherjung]

@Jolla

we’d like to ask your ideas

What about a TOH with the signature of all Sailfish contributors? Something collector

Or a beer with some sailors at the next FOSDEM.

@mips_tux mentioned the idea to visit the assembly manufacture in Salo

[cefre00]

You forget economies of scale. Jolla will manufacture like 10-15k devices maybe, they will be not walking away like millionaires at the end. While Xiaomi/Lenovo/TLC/etc vomits out 2-3m devices with this SOC and walks away with huge profits thanks to the quantity.

As we read some users here who have phones with this chipset, it seems to be a good bargain. Anyways, for the everyday user the size of the RAM, and the its speed + the speed of the file system will matter more. I don’t think anyone planning to go heavy on Genshin Impact would buy this phone.

Saying this, considering the longetivity of support we would like to get and the Android apps getting more and more memory hungry, I hope 12GB of RAM can be achieved. It would be so nice to have more native apps… maybe one day.

All in all, I love this concept, I pre-ordered in the first batch, so can’t wait. While I’m testing the sh*t out from my old but gold Xperia XA2 Ultra and an Xperia 10 mark V is on it’s way to me. I’m fully on the band wagon now @Jolla. Looking forward to “nokia” again after so many years of missing out Symbian and Meego.

Btw, I showed the Xperia to a colleague of mine, who was sceptical of the concept. I showed her the UI… She was bummed out. Her iphone will never be as cool as handling everything with one simple finger on a gargatuan screen and size. Yeah, still the best concept of touch UI ever.

[yusssufff]

@Jolla

we’d like to ask your ideas and opinions how the referrals should work in our community? If you refer your friend or a colleague to pre-order the new Jolla Phone, how would you like to be rewarded for such?

Thank you for the question! And for all the new insights.

In my circles, the hardest pill to swallow when I introduce Jolla Phone to new people is the price. They are people used to spend around 450eur for a midrange phone. So if you could give us a small ‘discount code’ to offer people as an extra convincing argument for them to buy, that would help, i think.

On personal reward side, maybe a discount on the future Xperia IV/V licences ? I’m, like many of us, someone who invested in a 10 V and wait patiently, so a discounted licence would be a nice gesture, as the main thing i try to do about the Jolla Phone (2026) is promotion around me, since for myself the 10 V will be my hopefully wonderfull SailfishOS driver.

[nthn]

@Kanthal

And sure enough, the moment you open an android app on C2 you feel like it’s 2008 again.

To be fair, that only happens, in my experience, on badly programmed Android apps, and the entire reason they’re badly programmed is because most phones over the past decade have had way more horsepower than they really needed, so poor programming skills were solved by throwing more RAM and processors at it. You can do a quick check if it’s just you(r phone) or the app by looking up the name of the app and ‘lag’. 9 times out of 10, it’s really the app that’s at fault. Perhaps we’ll see some more companies try to actually improve their apps now that “AI” scammers are hoarding all RAM.

Of course, Jolla can’t single-handedly reverse this trend by using a relatively lower powered processor, but it’s a bit of a catch-22. If they use a more powerful processor to make poor Android apps perform better, the price of the device skyrockets, and fewer people will be able to buy it. If they use a less powerful (but still decent) processor, poor Android apps will perform worse but more people will be able to buy it. I do think the second/current situation is preferrable, because more users means more potential developers creating native apps which perform better than their Android counterparts.

[nomad99]

Exactly @pherjung FOSDEM starts on the last day of the campaign. Jolla could use some community members there to push sales toward the target. The event attracts around 8,000 developers. On February 1st, a keynote to share more details or show alpha builds would be impactful. Organizing a competition with grants for app developers to port apps to Sailfish could help get more developers on board.

[dubstar_04]

usb-c video would be amazing!

[yusssufff]

Of course that first message of mine is more oriented towards individual reward/incentive.

But aslo you mentionned

@Jolla

Or should there be something totally different for a “reward”, something for the community as a whole?

and there i’d maybe propose, if the choice is more like ‘‘collective reward’’ to gather ‘‘stars’’ (or whatever abstract object representing money… ‘‘fish’’ would do ) towards sending a free phone to important people. So that it would become fun PR and hopefully spreading the word about Sailfish and Jolla. What about for exemple gathering stars for sending a free Jolla Phone to the president of Finland ?

[Fuchur84]

Sorry but where do you take that from?

The 10 III has a Qualcom 690 in it… compared to for instance a Media Tek 7400 the Media Tek 7400 is round about twice as fast, has a 4nm process compare to 8nm, a lot more memory bandwidth and so on. And if this processor is even faster (because newer / not yet released) than the 7400, a 10 III would just get kicked off the table by that performance level.

Yes, a 8xxx or even 9xxx series would be even nicer, but it is going to overpower your comparision easily. And it depends on what you prefer anyway… a 9xxx consumes a lot more than a 7xxx of the same generation. Not sure if it would be a good idea to go that route for many people.

Best regards
Fuchur

[Setok]

Often friendly referrals give the best feeling: where both the referrer and the referee get a benefit. Whether it’s a discount, or a free OH, or perhaps a uniquely brewed Jolla beer (called We Are Sailing, obviously).

[Kea]

Thank you for this update and congratulations with the prospect of three batches. Hopefully January will bring 10.000 orders so TOH will come true. Merry Christmas and a well deserved holiday to the Jolla crew.