Just last note about ‘enabling openrepos by default’ this is VERY bad idea and can’t really be done, OR relies on publisher repos that need to be enabled that then allow installing custom libs provided by given publisher, this isn’t self contained rpms, many more experimental apps provide replacements to standard sfos libs (modified ofono etc) and a ton of them have not been updated in a while, if you enable them willy nilly (like a newbie who just clicked ‘give me more apps’ button) you will end up with a broken system pretty fast, it’s just not workable with this architecture (chum disallows any conflicting packages so maybe that would be an option, but also risky)
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For what ‘by default’ please? It’s so simple to install Storeman manually… Everyone can do this in a few minutes.
Yes, but then you’re responsible to find the app, enable repo, read all the big WARNINGS and when you screw yourself and end up with a bootloop you know you did it yourself, if OR is offered as an option by jolla for newbies and you get some unified storefront they will click those experimental apps just like trustworthy apps from jolla store, the fact they clicked extra warning (you get one from enabling developer mode, same with external apps, ppl click through those like terms and conditions) won’t help
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You are overestimating the general public.
Most of what people need should be available in the Jolla Store.
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I doubt the general public will buy such a phone in the first place, or they would just complain about the lack of trackers and spyware.
This will always remain a phone for enthusiasts, I hope the numbers will still make it sustainable, though.
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You still have to know Chum and StoreMan exist, that’s why there was the idea floating around to create a Jolla Store app that would install them (or at least help to install them).
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Have you had a look on a phone of a friend, colleague etc ?
Whatsapp
Insta
Tiktop
Spotify
Local banking app
Local work council app
Local transportation app
Local sports app
..
..
Signal
Ups forgot the gov id apps
just to name a few
every shit has an app
completely impossible
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Exactly, that’s how a phone works for most people today. Thanks to App Support, you can have almost all of it and still live in a mobile Linux world when App Support is shut down. My feeling is that many expect those apps working on their phone today - even some or many of those that preordered the New Jolla Phone. If people see that there is not only a niche product but a true viable alternantive to iOS and Android it will be a big (2nd?) chance for Jolla.
Earlier this year I met a journalist in Istabul who is a friend of Manfred Weber (EPP in the Euroean Parliament). Apparently both had a talk on the lack of a European alternative to Android and iOS. I showed the journalist that I did the entire journey to Istanbul only with my X 10iii SFOS phone (public transportation tickets, boarding cards, banking, video conferencing, WhatsApp calls etc. (you name it)) Almost like “normal”. The need to flash a phone yourself put him off, though. Therefore the new Jolla Phone is a big big chance if it suits the peoples needs almost out of the box.
EDIT: of course I forwarded Jolla’s press release to that journalist
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Please don’t get me wrong: I prefer native apps over Andriod apps and use native apps whenever there is one for the particular purpose.
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Currently working on a “Beginner’s Guide” app which I intend to publish to the Jolla store. Hopefully it will be useful. I plan to split the content into multiple sections, from basic principles and the various app stores all the way to some more advanced topics.
I’ll be happy to accept PRs once I open source the repos (probably tomorrow).
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Hi
As a future jolla phone / sailfish user I would highly appreciate a welcome app pre installed, which navigates me through the OPTIONAL installation of different app stores,android compartibility layers etc.
why? Because it makes transition for new user easy. There is nothing more frustrating, when you finally get the new phone and you need ages to understand how to install e.g. threema.
The experience and knowledge comes with the using the operating system and is not pre-installed in the user.
When I transitioned from Windows to Linux years ago, it helped me a lot to have good welcome screen helping me find stuff.
((((I cannot resist, sorry: I use Arch, btw.))))
Cheers
Edit: or at least a website as startpage in the browser explaining you with the correct links how to install different things.
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You are making a sailfish rpm app or an android apk app?
Sailfish RPM app. Do you think an Android app might be worth it?
Anyway, I’ve just open sourced it, here’s the topic: Beginner's Guide app
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No rpm is great and enough i think.