Imagine if only 1% of users in Europe who intends to replace their phone next year chose Jolla. They would sell 10,000 phones a day and make a fortune. Without TikTok and Instagram compatibility that will never happen.
Steamdeck demonstrates that general consumers don’t care about operating systems or native apps. They want a good ecosystem!
If I had been aware that Whisperfish isn’t feature complete or included in the official Jolla store I wouldn’t have placed a preorder. I was urged to stick with it by one of the volunteer WF devs who also works at Jolla.
If the new GrapheneOS manufacturing partner offers better value or more privacy switches I’ll jump ship. The Sailfish QT requirement precludes most of the Linux apps I envisioned installing.
I don’t mind adopting a ‘new’ operating system but have very little tolerance for my phone misbehaving. Android apps are a necessary stopgap if those apps aren’t adequate by the time my phone arrives.
Curious, who would that partner be? It’s a google only shop as it stands?
Srsly? Why should they and would SFOS and Jolla be better of with fast growth of this kind?
I personally don’t care. Won’t happen.
I’m sure at least 1% of new gaming PCs end up with Linux on them these days. Either way it isn’t up to you and we should all strive to do the best we can. The world is changing by the day. Once governments put their foot down customers will flock to older devices which don’t receive updates or Linux phones.
That’s what I mean. On Play Store or F-Droid every essential app is free. Nobody wants to pay because they don’t need to. Jolla is more like Apple with some built in apps, some free apps, some paid apps/features, and community contributed apps. The signalling is that users are expected to pay.
Jolla is competing with established free software by repackaging it for QT. Most of us already have phones with all the apps we need. First party apps are usually better. SFOS supports Android apps. I want the benefits of Linux and a premium phone so I’m willing to pay for it. But Jolla phone lacks many of the built in features of GrapheneOS, like factory resetting after a number of failed login attempts.
I need to try SailfishOS on a laptop to get a feel for it. But as things stand Android is feature complete and has a much larger user base. Desktop Linux is a complete experience and constantly evolving. The underlying code of SFOS is almost older than Android. They are even built on the same kernel – roughly speaking.
If I wasn’t so worried about Google’s stewardship over Android and impending legislation changes I’d settle for Android. My hope is that Jolla and mobile Linux gets overlooked. Apple phones have spy hardware and Android is becoming increasingly closed software made by a spy company.
Sure. YOU can make a difference. Your mindset alone cotrolls all the world. Tomorrow we will change the world. Seeing is believing.
Not.
You have misconstrued me.
Ehm… Are you actually explaining SFOS and Jollyboys company strategy to us without ever having had a SFOS device in your hands? Not seriously?
You’re welcome. It was a pleasure.
Again, misconstruing me. I don’t own an SFOS device but have paid the deposit. Outsider perspectives are valuable. FOSS isn’t a cult.
At least the people I know are more than willing to pay for the “easy to use leading app” even if there were free options available, because it would take effort from them to transition.
It’s like in every post you try to justify why no one should try SFOS, because you will end up sticking with GrapheneOS after being disappointed with SFOS first.
Who would have thought the company with more workers optimizing the rounding radius of app icons than Jolla and Seafarix has workers combined and has almost unlimited money is ahead in features and appeals to larger userbase?
I am disappointed every time my observations go unchallenged. If SFOS was better, as opposed to a stagnant alternative to Android, then everyone would be shouting from the rooftops about how wonderful it is. I can’t even learn about the basic pre-installed apps!
The app store isn’t visible to prospective customers. Most apps don’t even have an identifiable name. And no, Chum isn’t good enough for the average consumer. If the phone isn’t for the average consumer then Jolla need to stop marketing it as such.
Asking me to pay 700€ then fix it myself isn’t a solution either.
Ditto, most app stores are full of crap. Apples. Googles.
And ditto. I make apps for me or take on maintenance of apps that I would like to use.
Not saying we should rule out an ‘actual’ app store with purchasing, just that it’s not a primary motive for me.
This isn’t a dig at Whisperfish, which I have never used, but the leading Signal application is Signal. It is free (as in free beer) and works on every Android phone produced in the past 5 years with zero barrier of entry. It doesn’t need to be installed from a repo anyone can submit anything to.
Android comes pre-isntalled on every non-Apple phone. Flashing GrapoheneOS is free. Used Pixels are relatively inexpensive. And yet I’m willing to spend hundreds to support Jolla.
The value proposition of SFOS needs to go beyond ‘free software with addons that costs money and only work on a handful of phones most of the time.’ GrapheneOS is so successful they are entering the manufacturing market. Maybe even teaming with Jolla, who knows? Graphene benefit from every downstream Android improvement. Jolla he been around in one form or another since 2013 and most people have never heard of them.
Real world question: how many of us could convince a parent to download Whisperfish from OpenRepo? My mother uses F-Droid for most apps and can’t tell the difference. She also uses Aurora Store if there is no alternative. SailfishOS should work like that. I can’t be around to offer tech support all day and she doesn’t need it using Graphene or F-Droid anyway. She also uses KDE Plasma on Fedora without difficulty. Not because she is good with computers but because it is easy.
Yadda, yadda, Graphene is so good. You have never ever used openrepos yourself. Not even SFOS. Stop explaining the world. And just in case your parents might own a SFOS device:
Start Soreman
Search for Signal or Whisper.
Klick Install.
Sorry, bit funny. My mother has stopped using her cell phone altogether because android is so ‘confusing’. I can barely get her to check email. Because ‘there is so much email’. My mother can be reached by land line.
Neither have most people on the planet. What is Soreman and where can I find it? You know, like these?
Sorry, but this is not how people behave. They do not go into website front ends to check the available apps for platform X or Y. They get recommendations from friends/family (peer pressure, in-group, all in the family are apple users, etc). then they proceed to install what they ‘instantly’ recognize. This leads to tons of scam ware that is well designed being installed and leads to untold amounts of fraud.
That is the world you want us to emulate.
