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Sailfish Community News, 23rd May 2024 - Jolla Day 2 recap - Community News - Sailfish OS Forum
Q: Are you considering keeping one-time-fee (perpetual) Sailfish license available?
A: Yes, we are and also based on the feedback it looks that we keep the option for a Sailfish OS (perpetual) license with fixed fee available for all supported device models. This will be offered next to the subscription model.
Yes, but they are doing this precisely because focusing solely on Sailfish OS didnāt work out for them over the past 10 years. They had to stop hardware production, shift their focus from consumers to corporations and governments, and branch into automotive applications. Itās not a lack of focus, but rather the realities of the market they operate in.
This can also be attributed to market dynamics alone. There are likely more potential buyers in the West than those who support imperialism and war crimes. Simple math.
I truly wish they could stick with phones, but Iām sure they know more about running their company than we do, so there must be a reason theyāre doing it this way.
Sounds intetesting. I am looking foreward to reading your post and learn from your perspective
I am not a numberā¦.
Sailfish is great in that the data you store on your device is secure. Encrypted. The device itself is a sieve.
Thatās wrong. Sorry Jolla. I apologise.
The network is a sieve.
When I was younger people knew that they could call me (at home) after school, after work. During the day I was uncontactable.
My mobile phone is for my convenience not yours.
I know people who walk around with their fone in their hand. It never leaves their hand except to go on the table in front of them.
I have had to have a sign posted on my balcony door banning mobile phones. I donāt want them being shoved in my face. Come to see me - spend time with me. Not to show me what shit you found on the Interweb.
(Net is a lovely name - positive connotations. Safety net etcā¦ I use web - itās never a spiders net is it?)
Me? Itās just a mobile phone.
During the day it is on between 10 & 11 and 16:00 - 17:00.
When Iām at home then it is on. I do also have a fixed line number but even that isnāt a local number - Itās from a town 250 km away. 
Your mobile leaks data. Spews it out.
The biggest beingā¦ā¦
Location, location, location.
In a previous life, if I wanted to track someone I would have to place a tracker on their vehicle, or somehow place it on their person. Wallet? Hard - easily found. Heel of a shoe? Sewn into a jacket?
Real effort and only really undertaken by the specialist and mostly needing some form of legal approval.
These day? You do it all for us. Youāve eliminated a whole layer of Intelligence Officers.
I can track you to within 5-10 metres, Just from your mobile number.
Donāt believe me?
There are loads of sites and apps out there.
Am I paranoid? Or am I just protective of my privacy?
Iāll leave the last words to the magnificent Patrick McGoohan.
āI am not a number, I am a free man.ā
Thanks, but I was expecting more cold hard facts. We know android and in a different way ios are sieves and that the network is a sieveā¦it would be interesting to see exactly how less leaky sfos is.
If youāre being specifically targeted by 3 letter agencies then throw away your phone. For most people the threat model is just mass trawling data surveillance for advertising purposes and most people are prepared to sacrifice privacy for convenience - even people who use sfos.
I tried founditdotmobi, entered a disposable email and was asked for 50c paymentā¦thereās no way Iām going to make a traceable payment for a momentās curiosity, but if someone else wants to do it, enter a number with sfos running with gps turned off, just to see.
Sorry. I donāt get what you are trying to say here. What cold hard facts?
SFOS is an operating system. Itās secure. End of. Itās why a lot of 3 letter agencies use it.
Tracking is something else. Itās network. Not phone.
You know how to use the web? Do a search. In 2 secs I found this - [2024 Updated] 4 Proven Ways to Track My Phone Free Online
Try it. Report back for us please.
Which ā3 letter agencyā uses Sailfish?
Your search result is useless, ios and Android search only work with an account. Samsung search only works with samsung devices and the carrier sesrch function is nothing new, this was available 20years ago, when smartphones like we use them today werenāt available.
That made me laugh. Thanks.
Try
OSA
I am tired of the all the accounts that are needed to use even trivial and most basic services today.
I enjoy the control over the device without being advertised to death by some US companies.
Tracking over cellular phone network is in my view a different story, but hard to control if used
Iāve only recently decided to give a go at Jolla and ordered the C2, for me a company dedicated exclusively to develop an OS for a limited numbers of mobile phones seems like a business destined to fail.
Nowadays everything requires connectivity, so it makes sense a company like this is also trying to capture automotive market.
The AI thing feels like a gamble, Iām not sure what market niche it tries to fill up but I hope it makes them enough money to keep developing SailfishOS.
In the end of the day a company is only viable if they finances are viable, and to do so, I do think itās acceptable to venture into different markets and technologies, even if for whoever wants Sailfish the rest of the portfolio is not interesting at all.
I very much agree with you!
I was one of āThe first oneā in 2013, I had the Jolla phone, the Joola C, the Aquafish, the Xperia X, the XA2, and now the 10 II, but I really think it is necessary to face reality: in 10 years, how many official third-party apps have been produced for Sailfish OS? 0.1 percent? Maybe less? And why is that? And I really ask, I donāt have an answer. I too, like you, am not understanding the path Jolla has taken. There is a lot of talk about the Android (Google) iOS (Apple) duopoly: but do you really think that these two giants have noticed and/or been impressed by Jolla, especially if it fails to scratch and/or mesh in the consumer sector? Again letās face facts: Jolla has moved on, in this decade because there have been many nerds, enthusiasts and experts who have approached it, but considering the whole procedure to have Sailfish OS in a decent cell phone, the guy I see passing now under my house window, would not consider it! Too long and complicated at times. Yes sure, Sailfish is a far different product from Android and iOS, truly privacy-friendly and secure, who doubts it? But, and Iām talking about Sauna, it doesnāt work well with WhatsApp, which is a very common and in-demand application. If I go to the Jolla Store or Storeman, if itās okay I can find an unoffical application, but ā¦ with all due respect and thanks to the people who worked on it, itās not the same thing at allā¦
Now there is this ānewsā of monthly payment to get the new updates, cone for the second community mobile and for developers: honestly I am quite amazed in the negative. Iām sorry: but I donāt think Iām going to pay for it, and I donāt think the juxtaposition with the fact that there are cell phones that really cost a lot, I donāt think thatās the point at all. If Jolla goes down this road, Iām really afraid Iām going to say goodbye to it, try to go for Lineage OS or \e\os Murena, and if it goes wrong with them too, it will mean Iāll still be looking for a phone with Android as free as possible.
I hope I have not offended anyone, because that was not my intention.
Completely understandable, and you clearly expressed it as opinion, so not offending to me.
I see the same facts as you; but from my perspective Sailfish OS is a typical linux distro, tailored for some smartphones.
It is community driven, not commercial driven as iOS or Android.
I use Linux on my computers for more than 20 years, started Linux on mobiles with N9.
This is why I love Sailfish so much : in perspective a true Linux experience. Not everything is polished, but with some help from this great community, I can get my things done.
In addition, I love the simplified and beautiful UX interface of Sailfish OS.
I will stay with it
The answer to your question is pretty simple. The number of possible sailfish users of such a third-party app does not justify its production and maintenance costs.
I also do not think that Sailfish goal is to break the duopoly of android/iOS in the sense to gain 30% of the market. It is a fully working alternative mobile OS based on Linux for those seeking an alternative and at the same time, for those ready to break their personal link with the tech giants like google and facebook. If you want to use google and facebook products why bother yourself with sailfish?
There are other mobile OSes based on Linux (I intentionally exclude AOSP spinoffs) like postmarketos/mobian/ubtouch but their current state is far from usable. Sailfish development is backed by a company and its readiness to use daily is just excellent compared to competitors. Every company has its costs and for me it is completely fine to pay for the product to support its further development. The only alternative is a model that is used in android - you are not paying with your cash but with your data that is then monetized. Is that not the thing we wanted to escape from in the first place?
From what I recall the idea of monthly payment fee came up on this forum as an idea from the community members and it was many months before Jolla Love day 2, where it was officially announced. There are many people willing to use it as a way to support Jolla and for those not ready for it there there will be a life-time license available as well.
Just my 2 cents.
There will always be the free version of Sailfish OS all the talk about the monthly fee was only for the paid components. Like Android AppSupport and Exchange Support and all the other things that are pay to use right now.
It was never for the currently free version wich will also stay free in the future.
That is how I understood it after reading the chat Logs from the community meeting wehre this was talked about.
In fact, breaking the duopoly would be the business of the state by use of legal guidances. They could start for instance to force there subsidiaries (like mail, public transport, and so on) to provide their apps for at least three systems of their choice, or to provide services on an equal level per website.
Iām not into communism, but I somewhat agree with the second part. Taxpayer-funded entities should at least be required to provide free API access if they create Android/iOS apps for their services.
prohibition of cartells has nothing to do with communism, anti-trust laws are the only way to make capitalism work. Even the US administration came to that conclusion in the past and has laws to prevent monopolism.
I donāt want to go off-topic, but monopolies are largely the result of government intervention, not free-market capitalism. As usual, governments are trying to fix a problem they created in the first place.
Can you describe that position with an example?
I donāt see how governments are the culprits for most of the monopolies we have today. The only blame we can make is that they have not intervened earlier or have not given a proper law frame which makes such monopolies impossible.
It is not a case of not working out, it is a case of not having a profitable business model. Chasing after whatever is āthe current thingā is not so sensible IMO. Companies based on need rather than political fashions tend to do better (unless they are part of the tax funding club, and I really doubt Jolla are that well connected, or be prepared to do the kind of āfavors for favorsā that go along with it).
The Jolla phones are a good idea, preinstalled with a secure OS, sold for a premium over the base model. I think the problem is that you just canāt easily buy a linux phone (other than second hand), and that installing sailfish OS on to the device is something that normal people would never be bothered to do. There needs to be an out of the box solution.
Maybe there could be an ultra secure model, configured for maximum security. Companies would pay a premium for this and the development would ultimately help sailfish. Other smartphone companies are in this market place, sailfish should be there too.
Take chrome OS for instance, that is a very limited operating system, just to support a browser, but it did 99% of the things people needed. And you could buy devices with the OS preinstalled. The trouble was Google, they always keep changing, for whatever political reason, they are burying chrome OS (you canāt publish on the store any more). I guess it was just a competitor to android.
In terms of Russia, have a watch of Oliver Stoneās Ukraine on Fire. The situation is far from what is presented by MSM.
āIām sure they know more about running their company than we doā - you could say that about all companies, but some succeed and others fail.