Come on, Windows 11 may be bad, but is waaaaay better than Windows ME.
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How much have you offered to donate to them? To achieve your goal?
To keep them afloat.
Perhaps, just perhaps, they need, like most companies, indeed most people, more than one string to their bow?
I bought a Sailfish OS license.
I think this is the way companies should operate, by offering products on the market place and charging a competitive price for them, not by charity.
The reason I support Sailfish, Ubuntu and the others, is because the larger companies Google/Apple/Microsoft operate like a cartel, not only that, but they are working hand in hand with the NSA. We have got to get away from them, they are planning total control over us.
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You’ve taken it the wrong way. You & I are very close. To quote a book some people believe in…
“Man cannot live by bread alone”
Certainly the companies you quote don’t. They have multiple income streams. I don’t see the problem, in fact I would encourage it from Jolla to ensure they hang around and are able to continue to offer me Sailfish. That they use their considerable skills to build new products shows just how innovative they are. Long may it continue.
Oh and to add, my privacy is paramount to me. I was one of the first to order a MIND2 - @ €75.
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Tomorrow I will do a post that will scare you silly. I hope it will change the way you both see and use your “phone”.
FYI, I’ve been in this industry for over 40 years and built over 120 networks around the globe including USA and mainland China.
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Here it is:
Sailfish Community News, 23rd May 2024 - Jolla Day 2 recap - Community News - Sailfish OS Forum
Q: Are you considering keeping one-time-fee (perpetual) Sailfish license available?
A: Yes, we are and also based on the feedback it looks that we keep the option for a Sailfish OS (perpetual) license with fixed fee available for all supported device models. This will be offered next to the subscription model.
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Yes, but they are doing this precisely because focusing solely on Sailfish OS didn’t work out for them over the past 10 years. They had to stop hardware production, shift their focus from consumers to corporations and governments, and branch into automotive applications. It’s not a lack of focus, but rather the realities of the market they operate in.
This can also be attributed to market dynamics alone. There are likely more potential buyers in the West than those who support imperialism and war crimes. Simple math.
I truly wish they could stick with phones, but I’m sure they know more about running their company than we do, so there must be a reason they’re doing it this way.
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Sounds intetesting. I am looking foreward to reading your post and learn from your perspective
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I am not a number….
Sailfish is great in that the data you store on your device is secure. Encrypted. The device itself is a sieve.
That’s wrong. Sorry Jolla. I apologise.
The network is a sieve.
When I was younger people knew that they could call me (at home) after school, after work. During the day I was uncontactable.
My mobile phone is for my convenience not yours.
I know people who walk around with their fone in their hand. It never leaves their hand except to go on the table in front of them.
I have had to have a sign posted on my balcony door banning mobile phones. I don’t want them being shoved in my face. Come to see me - spend time with me. Not to show me what shit you found on the Interweb.
(Net is a lovely name - positive connotations. Safety net etc… I use web - it’s never a spiders net is it?)
Me? It’s just a mobile phone.
During the day it is on between 10 & 11 and 16:00 - 17:00.
When I’m at home then it is on. I do also have a fixed line number but even that isn’t a local number - It’s from a town 250 km away. 
Your mobile leaks data. Spews it out.
The biggest being……
Location, location, location.
In a previous life, if I wanted to track someone I would have to place a tracker on their vehicle, or somehow place it on their person. Wallet? Hard - easily found. Heel of a shoe? Sewn into a jacket?
Real effort and only really undertaken by the specialist and mostly needing some form of legal approval.
These day? You do it all for us. You’ve eliminated a whole layer of Intelligence Officers.
I can track you to within 5-10 metres, Just from your mobile number.
Don’t believe me?
There are loads of sites and apps out there.
Am I paranoid? Or am I just protective of my privacy?
I’ll leave the last words to the magnificent Patrick McGoohan.
“I am not a number, I am a free man.”
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Thanks, but I was expecting more cold hard facts. We know android and in a different way ios are sieves and that the network is a sieve…it would be interesting to see exactly how less leaky sfos is.
If you’re being specifically targeted by 3 letter agencies then throw away your phone. For most people the threat model is just mass trawling data surveillance for advertising purposes and most people are prepared to sacrifice privacy for convenience - even people who use sfos.
I tried founditdotmobi, entered a disposable email and was asked for 50c payment…there’s no way I’m going to make a traceable payment for a moment’s curiosity, but if someone else wants to do it, enter a number with sfos running with gps turned off, just to see.
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Sorry. I don’t get what you are trying to say here. What cold hard facts?
SFOS is an operating system. It’s secure. End of. It’s why a lot of 3 letter agencies use it.
Tracking is something else. It’s network. Not phone.
You know how to use the web? Do a search. In 2 secs I found this - [2024 Updated] 4 Proven Ways to Track My Phone Free Online
Try it. Report back for us please.
Which ‘3 letter agency’ uses Sailfish?
Your search result is useless, ios and Android search only work with an account. Samsung search only works with samsung devices and the carrier sesrch function is nothing new, this was available 20years ago, when smartphones like we use them today weren’t available.
That made me laugh. Thanks.
Try
OSA
I am tired of the all the accounts that are needed to use even trivial and most basic services today.
I enjoy the control over the device without being advertised to death by some US companies.
Tracking over cellular phone network is in my view a different story, but hard to control if used
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I’ve only recently decided to give a go at Jolla and ordered the C2, for me a company dedicated exclusively to develop an OS for a limited numbers of mobile phones seems like a business destined to fail.
Nowadays everything requires connectivity, so it makes sense a company like this is also trying to capture automotive market.
The AI thing feels like a gamble, I’m not sure what market niche it tries to fill up but I hope it makes them enough money to keep developing SailfishOS.
In the end of the day a company is only viable if they finances are viable, and to do so, I do think it’s acceptable to venture into different markets and technologies, even if for whoever wants Sailfish the rest of the portfolio is not interesting at all.
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I very much agree with you!
I was one of “The first one” in 2013, I had the Jolla phone, the Joola C, the Aquafish, the Xperia X, the XA2, and now the 10 II, but I really think it is necessary to face reality: in 10 years, how many official third-party apps have been produced for Sailfish OS? 0.1 percent? Maybe less? And why is that? And I really ask, I don’t have an answer. I too, like you, am not understanding the path Jolla has taken. There is a lot of talk about the Android (Google) iOS (Apple) duopoly: but do you really think that these two giants have noticed and/or been impressed by Jolla, especially if it fails to scratch and/or mesh in the consumer sector? Again let’s face facts: Jolla has moved on, in this decade because there have been many nerds, enthusiasts and experts who have approached it, but considering the whole procedure to have Sailfish OS in a decent cell phone, the guy I see passing now under my house window, would not consider it! Too long and complicated at times. Yes sure, Sailfish is a far different product from Android and iOS, truly privacy-friendly and secure, who doubts it? But, and I’m talking about Sauna, it doesn’t work well with WhatsApp, which is a very common and in-demand application. If I go to the Jolla Store or Storeman, if it’s okay I can find an unoffical application, but … with all due respect and thanks to the people who worked on it, it’s not the same thing at all…
Now there is this “news” of monthly payment to get the new updates, cone for the second community mobile and for developers: honestly I am quite amazed in the negative. I’m sorry: but I don’t think I’m going to pay for it, and I don’t think the juxtaposition with the fact that there are cell phones that really cost a lot, I don’t think that’s the point at all. If Jolla goes down this road, I’m really afraid I’m going to say goodbye to it, try to go for Lineage OS or \e\os Murena, and if it goes wrong with them too, it will mean I’ll still be looking for a phone with Android as free as possible.
I hope I have not offended anyone, because that was not my intention.
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Completely understandable, and you clearly expressed it as opinion, so not offending to me.
I see the same facts as you; but from my perspective Sailfish OS is a typical linux distro, tailored for some smartphones.
It is community driven, not commercial driven as iOS or Android.
I use Linux on my computers for more than 20 years, started Linux on mobiles with N9.
This is why I love Sailfish so much : in perspective a true Linux experience. Not everything is polished, but with some help from this great community, I can get my things done.
In addition, I love the simplified and beautiful UX interface of Sailfish OS.
I will stay with it
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The answer to your question is pretty simple. The number of possible sailfish users of such a third-party app does not justify its production and maintenance costs.
I also do not think that Sailfish goal is to break the duopoly of android/iOS in the sense to gain 30% of the market. It is a fully working alternative mobile OS based on Linux for those seeking an alternative and at the same time, for those ready to break their personal link with the tech giants like google and facebook. If you want to use google and facebook products why bother yourself with sailfish?
There are other mobile OSes based on Linux (I intentionally exclude AOSP spinoffs) like postmarketos/mobian/ubtouch but their current state is far from usable. Sailfish development is backed by a company and its readiness to use daily is just excellent compared to competitors. Every company has its costs and for me it is completely fine to pay for the product to support its further development. The only alternative is a model that is used in android - you are not paying with your cash but with your data that is then monetized. Is that not the thing we wanted to escape from in the first place?
From what I recall the idea of monthly payment fee came up on this forum as an idea from the community members and it was many months before Jolla Love day 2, where it was officially announced. There are many people willing to use it as a way to support Jolla and for those not ready for it there there will be a life-time license available as well.
Just my 2 cents.
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There will always be the free version of Sailfish OS all the talk about the monthly fee was only for the paid components. Like Android AppSupport and Exchange Support and all the other things that are pay to use right now.
It was never for the currently free version wich will also stay free in the future.
That is how I understood it after reading the chat Logs from the community meeting wehre this was talked about.
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In fact, breaking the duopoly would be the business of the state by use of legal guidances. They could start for instance to force there subsidiaries (like mail, public transport, and so on) to provide their apps for at least three systems of their choice, or to provide services on an equal level per website.
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