Bloody hell. This thread is about orders and delivery of the Community C2 Phone hardware.
Please start a new topic for enquiries about App Support and its features.
These kinds of posts derailing topics are becoming a real disease on this forum and make finding relevant information increasingly difficult.
Indeed, asking about the scope of delivery here - what I’m actually buying … 
Will start new threads though as well …
( Wonder if that community tone is representative and will attract further jolla / SFOS-users 
… )
I apologize for the tone.
But it seems lately any topic posted goes off-topic before reaching 10 replies. It is getting really annoying.
I agree, it’s a problem when threads deteriorate into general chitchat. It could probably have been stated more gently, but the reaction didn’t come from nowhere. @launchpad, you figuratively first drove past the yellow light…
…and then decided to ignore the nudging and went right past the red light, too:
I get that you said the following tongue-in-cheek:
Do you also realize how such widening of scope would make almost any topic fit in this thread - not helping anyone?
Thanks for the explanations. I do not intend to further inflate this thread - as it’s counterproductive.
Sorry for not getting the yellow light - I do not want to open threads which are useless, getting out of sight.
Indeed obtaining a decision between C2 or 10V for my part essentially depends on how the bootloader-issue is being treated.
The jolla C2 is being promoted as a SFOS reference device, implementing “SFOS as it should” be.
Hence the question, which could’ve been answered quickly and accurately instead of arguing with “shitty apps” and so forth.
As just mentioned, I’ll be starting a new topic.
Thanks for the moderation. Appreciating this.
As such, you had a good question. You could ask @rainemak to break it out to a new thread (I believe only mods are allowed to do this).
Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy… I got the email!!
Me too, yesterday evening. Ordered in May.
Lucky you! (20 chars)
Back to topic: I received my order link, but it only supports credit card payment.
I do not own a credit card. Can I pay it with PayPal somehow?
Best regards
Fuchur
Hello,
I have also received an invitation. Since I can’t/don’t know how to coordinate several apps that are important to me (due to Bluetooth) and several other apps, I decided to skip the C2 purchase. Since I’ve been trying to support SFos since the First one, is there anyone willing to use my discount coupon to buy a C2? 
Maybe discussed elsewhere : what are your thoughts on missing 5G in the new C2 device ?
Personally I don’t care, in most places I am LTE is 150 Mbps, even if less, on phone it’s totally enough in my opinion.
I second that + 5g power consumption is significantly higher, so I would probably switch to LTE anyway
A colleague of mine working (in the European Commission) on 5G tech, noted that 5G is about smarter energy management overall. Does this not apply to the device/receiver, on average, as well, compared with older generation networks ?
5G is about using as much frequency bands as possible to transmit as much data as possible, the faster the better. And of course, with low latency. And everything interconnected, i.e. IoT, V2X, etc.
The aim of the standard is mostly to optimize the used resources as much as possible with the final aim of reducing resource usage, i.e. optimize the battery usage of the devices.
Having said that. 4G is more than enough for me.
5G is anticipating on a higher need for energy when digital possibilities will expand. At the same time 5G will use this energy more efficiently, they say. Marketing? Indeed ever faster, ever more. I am satisfied with Jolla C2 having 4G.
It is mostly marketing since there is almost no difference for the end user, except the fancy 5G icon on the screen of the phone.
In fact, I am sure that we will never see a decent V2X deployment, at least in Europe, due to the lack of business case.
The number of antennas and base stations that would have to be deployed in combination with the added costs to the vehicles will never be justified over the advantages which is supposedly offering.
In closed environments, e.g. factories, campuses, ets. it will be surely viable but not for a complete deployment in a city or highways.
It will be more interesting to see the developments in the case of remote (IoT) locations in which a lot of devices still work under GSM.
Having said that, C2 having 4G is mooooooooooooore than enough.
My old X10 also has 4G and data speed is also enough for me, BUT: Will C2 support VoLTE?? Thats the question and not ‘does it support 5G’. Without VoLTE the phone switches back to 2G, that is no problem as long as 2G still exists. But it becomes a big problem as soon as 2G is shut down by providers to use the frequencies for more profitable 4G/5G.
