There is a repo with an attempt to get firefox working nativelly but i don’t think it works yet. Hopefully soon now that we have xdg-shell on the compositor.
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Not everything is about privacy. If you ask me whether I use it for privacy, the answer is no. And there is no such thing as being 100% anonymous on the internet anyway. Yes, our Linux users are very good about this; they don’t want their personal information floating around the internet so easily, and they are very careful about it.
But so what? Should a user who isn’t privacy-focused still not be able to download these apps? Who does that concern? If someone wants to install them, they can install them. If they don’t want to, then they don’t have to.
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Fair point, that is a reasonable argument. But I think the chances of a silica-native McDonalds app is zero, and I think the majority of SFOS users would not be interested in debugging why the Android one doesn’t work and figuring out how to fix it - because, as you say, the majority of us Linux users try to stay away from such things.
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Of course, before even getting to the Android apps, the Sailfish OS developers still have a lot of work to do. But lately, I feel like they’ve been making some progress, am I wrong?
And I think if there were some good hype around it, I’m pretty sure all these app issues we’re arguing about right now could be solved in about two months with a solid team. Of course, you’d have to spend a good amount of money on it.
It’s not really something that needs to be made into such a huge issue, but well… you know how it is.
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What did you really expect? Of course this is different from mainstream Android or Apple product. Those OS are made years for big amount of cash and are just mainstream.
I am still wait my J2. I have allways use exepensive flagship models phone and buy new allmous every year.
Now i wait J2 and i like to see that phone on my daily driver.
What i expect.. Some problems, different apps, compatibility issues, use of a debit card because the local payment does not work, etc.
but I also look forward to the privacy features brought by the operating system, new challenges, new different OS and its learning, the abandonment of mainstream devices and the use of something different.
You might have had too many expectations or you’ve been waiting for the wrong things
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I try to avoid Android applications as much as possible. When I have to use them (e.g. for Home automation), I used them on a cheap phone with Android 10. Now on the JP2026 I have them in one device and I could turn off the Android phone. The JP2026 meets all my requirements for now (the BT in the car doesn’t fully work yet, although it seemed to).
I’m sorry that the JP2026 didn’t meet your expectations, it seems from this forum that it met most of them.
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Hello and welcome! I am the same in this regard that I want to support European alternatives (always better if Finnish) 
For the migration process, I would say it is super hard to do that kind of tool without google or apple account. And it can only then do something for the android side, nothing to native. IIRC there is similar hurdle when you go from android ↔ios. FYI there is good backup app for sfos if you ever need it.
Regarding android apps, usually they wont work if app makers were lazy and just put all the safetynet and integrity checks in place. Not much Sailfish can do about it. This will hopefully get better at least inside EU.
Regarding the apps you mentioned, Finnish banking apps work (OP needs one-time terminal trick), duolingo I don’t know, I have tested only Moovy but it works, wolt works, bolt works, office apps work (have only tested outlook/teams/authenticator). A lot of apps work out of the box, but Revolut or McDonald app won’t. They have spend a lot of energy to block alternatives of duopoly for some reason. In those regards customers need to demand the change or vite with their wallet.
Hopefully you will get as fond aa I’m regarding sfos and one day can make the jump fully! Until then, sail safe and carry on
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I think McDonalds is just paranoid since their mistakes “in the early days”. When ordering thru the app, a lot of checks and applying promotions to orders was done locally on the device, not on the server.
They have since patched that, and most probably try to avoid repeated situations like that with an “only allow trusted environment” as their baseline.
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Mixing up OS and apps abilities also not fully comprehending diffrence of OS and OS vs. Android support .
Faniliar feeling.
The finnish TTS is there fore here we go, but it take some back and forth playing to get ot run . The google voice tts engine does it. but in order to get it run you need to first download it from aurora. and the download an other tts like vocaliser .( if you try to select google tts directly it jus crashes the Here app and also if you try directly from android settings it crashes)
Then play back and forth with voice engine selections .
Finally it just works forever.
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There are no Sailfish native apps for Google pay or Apple pay ( for natural reasons) .
NFC bridge from Appsupport to NFC reader is not existing yet, so NFC payments with Gpay or Applepay not possible using NFC.
Have to realise that Appsupport is separated to run in isolated space, it’s for a reason, to control what it’s doing .
Wanting all android and google things 100% and wanting phone not to be Google?
This is No Go.
Still I have all I need , banking, parking, spotify .
For NFC the are options , tags. I have Tapster. For start you need android/ IOS phone. To pair the tag with app/ bank.
Basically putting all Eggs to one basket, PHONE is very bad idea spesifacally if it’s ONE phone.
All bank/ ID payments etc.
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The UI is more or less the same (in principle at least), but there have been major improvements in UX and under the hood. AAS, WPA3, VPN, VoLTE, 5G, SailJail, BT plus all the minor stuff like updated libs.
This would be great, but it’s also basically impossible. The both operating systems are somewhat walled gardens. This means, that moving things between different platforms is made intentionally painful. For example, the only things on iPhones that don’t use proprietary formats are contacts and calendars. Even some of the pictures and videos are using apple-specific formats, let alone notes, calendar reminders, messages, etc.
To make things easier for yourself, just use FOSS formats wherever you can. This way, you have no problem syncing files between your phones, PCs and web services.
That’s something that can be said about ~every OS, if you come from a different platform. As long as you can find what you need by using correct keywords, this is a non-issue, if I understood your problem correctly. Of course bigger platforms have a wider selection of apps, but every year we get new great native apps.
I can very well understand what you mean by this, but in some regards there has been improvement. For example, enabling microG takes only one tap. Previously, it took multiple steps to achieve that.
This one I don’t understand, but I think Säästöpankki is the only one that doesn’t work currently. Not sure about Danske though, since I don’t know anyone who uses it.
Achieving this would take multiple million euros and that’s not even counting the development work needed on the OS itself. Therefore, I think this is just simply unrealistic at the moment.
Lack of accessibility features is a big downside in every non-major OS. It boils down to the fact that development needs to have priorities and currently there are things like Camera2 API and browser and known bugs that are on top of that list.
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That might, as others already pointed out, have to do with your expectations. Privacy and European are not shiny labels you stick on your stuff and suddenly giving your data away for a glimpse of comfort just is no problem anymore.
If you give your what and whereabouts to the car company filming you and anyone around you or generously give the companies selling you food and other stuff all your data, nothing will change. Sharing your customer habits, location and the point in time you take a shower or take a shit with half of the chinese and american industry is not easy with SFOS and sometimes uncomfortable. You just have bought a device that makes doing those things difficult but not impossible. For a reason.
But on the other hand n o t giving up on privacy is far more difficult if not impossible at all with other phones. But it is comfortable.
So ask yourself if you made the right decission.
There is no right or wrong, though. 
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Wowwowowowow! Hold on your horses!
NO. Not everyone uses contacless. I don’t actually know that many that uses (my friends in Finland). And everytime I see someone using I tend to think a question in my mind “why on earth?”. What’s wrong with a little debit/credit card? That is just perfectly good method to pay. …but ok, that’s just me, “the hermit living in deep forest”
Anyways, to the point.
It is NOT Jolla’s fault that Google and Apple have played their game so well that they are the gatekeepers in today’s payment systems.
They have succeeded getting banks to believe that Play Integrity (and whatever Apple uses) are a “must” for the identification and payment handling. If you compare this to the computer world, it would be the same like your bank would require that you have Windows installed in your computer and there Microsoft’s device attestation certifying that this computer has an official unmodified Windows installed. THIS STUPID this payment game has become with Google (and Apple?).
I will never put my money going through payment systems gatekeeped by Google nor Apple. I can only imagine how rich they are becoming with it, eventhough they would take only a tiny margin - but they take it from every payment.
Then again… the cavalry might be coming to a rescue here. European actors are slowly starting to do something about this. See this for example;
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And switching the other direction - is that somehow Android’s problem then?
I keep reading sentiments like this pretty often - but they all seem to rest on the premise that switching is somehow harder than getting started using a smartphone from scratch. We have all done that, and nobody whined - so why now?
How is that any of Jolla’s fault?
What? What ones is that?
I can’t remember when i had to mess with the terminal for using apps.
That’s what happened on other platforms - endless nagging, EULA this EULA that, sticky notifications about BS.
Everyone using it doesn’t make it any less stupid.
Let’s put cards in something with a battery, which can break, and is even more desirable to steal - great idea!
Huuh?
It is rather a common complaint that people can’t switch keyboards.
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totally agree with this. only android is like android …
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No, it is not just you! There is at least, me to.
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I agree but it isn’t marketed to the general public. It was a crowdfunded pre-order campaign of 2000 phones!
It is optimized for:
- linux nerds who want to customize its inner workings;
- software developers who use Qt professionally and don’t mind writing apps for fun;
- electronics enthusiasts who want to develop physical attachments (I2C/I3C communication protocols);
- privacy-conscious users who want to retain control over their data.
It is not optimized for, but nonethless very well suited for:
- GAFAM haters who don’t want any stinking Android apps on their main phone (← I am here).
But best of all, it is the only linux phone that actually works, and it is usable as daily phone by regular people with some limitations (just now we just got Bluetooth compatibility in Android apps, maybe one day we get NFC as well).
I am among those who would like to see SFOS be more tuned to the general public, but it isn’t the case right now, and reading this forum makes it quite clear. At least clear that not everybody wants it tuned for the general public.
I’m also happy doing that and for the only complain is they f up the I3C board. For everything else the quality is very high. Also the UX is great.
EDIT: added privacy-conscious use case
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When you are testing the apps there is a web page to report your findings:
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I am not sure if this has already been said here, but I also found people to be somewhat hostile (not everyone) to what I considered pretty valid feedback. To understand where this feedback is coming from I think it is important to understand where new users are coming from.
Me? I have used iOS for maybe a decade. I wanted to leave the Apple ecosystem due to how they are treating the dma. I want to support European companies, and would like there to exist a viable alternative to the duopoly.
I otherwise think the experience of usinf iOS is fantastic, even after that stupid glass thing.
Jolla have advertised to me. I receive ads on Reddit. I am not lost, I was guided here.
There is so many small pain points on this phone. One happening whilst I type. why is it not Autocapitalising after fullstops? why does the keyboard sometimes just select a random letter? Why is it that if i type too fast it misses letters? Why will it not fix simple spelling errors?
This phone shipped with some fairly bad bugs. I cant watch Youtube on it. This is my first impression of this phone.
I think it is mad that people wont accept that companies with trillions, who have invested heavily in ux research might not have developed paradigms worth taking from.
People seem to be treating these complaints in bad faith. I paid 500 euros for this device. I have Adhd, I forget my wallet all the goddamn time. I relied on Apple Pay. But I gave it up. I came here with low expectations, willing to try. And still.
And I am still trying to daily drive this. But in the typing of this message I have wanted to launch this thing at the wall. These are the bare minimum.
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