Feedback on Jolla C2

If you need Videorecording now just install Opencamera and you are Steven Spielberg. Works with API 1.0 and 2.0 in Android-App-Support but i see no difference.

Where I can find it?

EDIT: I don’t care enough to use non SFOS one.

DuckDuckGo is your friend:

Press there “Download” and then press “Try To Download Anyway” to get the APK, because it does not recognize Android-OS in the Browser.

I can’t deny you your experience. YMMV. But I certainly stand by my reported experiences now 19 days in with C2 as daily driver. On things I value, it certainly is faster and smoother than the X10iii. The additional things I noticed after 5.0.0.43 upgrade is that the reported enhancements are certainly there. I even realised from complaints I managed to receive that I missed more incoming text messages and calls than expected before the upgrade. On the side of more frequent than before the upgrade are network related reboots, and inbetween, SIM suddenly not active requiring extra reboot. So I am very happy with the progress in being able to communicate more reliably since Tuesday’s release candidate. So neither in denial nor being ignorant if you ask me like that.

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Indeed, it is possible to keep one/some apps running.
Search for ‘partnerspace’ on the forum.
This is an excellent feature IMO.

More exacly
here:

This allows you to swipe left and access the app which will always stay there.
A bit like a second, third… desktop.
One app per screen.
Delicious :yum:

It is for sure not faster than 10 III especially in AAS Enviroment as it really can’t be when hardware is weaker than one in 10 III.

But but but

It was true for all xperias as flashing then gives better results than simply updating, but but but

Not to such extend that I now expirienced - I just flashed my c2 and it is completly different device. In a good way :slight_smile:

I gonna have a long and nice evening now :slight_smile:

It only makes me wonder how Jolla as provider of hardware and software could ship device in such a way that made me feel really dissapointed…

We value different things so we are probably measuring different things as well. Especially if your device changed personality to the better from the recent flash. Happy to hear that.

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maybe I should try to flash mine then?

Hardware quality is 3 years old budget phone.
My main compliant is screen. Adaptive brightness is not working, either too bright or too dark. Screen colour tempureture is too blue.
Another thing is the case. The hole of Charging port is too small so often USB cable isn’t fit enough to charge the device.

Software works okay, but I feel UX is now not up to date while other OSes have been improved a lot in recent years.
But generally speaking UX is quite smooth.
I reckon it’s quite efficient if I take the hardware specs.

Overall the C2 has some shortcomings to use as daily driver.

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I would strongly recomend it

Ok some time now spent with c2.

base os work well, stable and pretty fast after flashing. Didn’t test gsm as I need to have my phone with me at all times and cannot afford to have no internet for android apps while Im outside (work)

So when it comes to AAS it is slow to the point that it is unusable. Im no developer but how could base system which is kinda based on android perform really well while android is so laggy that is even visible while typing on keyboard inputing in android app?

I would like to take c2 for a daily driver spin for some time even if I miss few calls but I need mobile data working for android and, yeah much more improved android itself

SailfishOS isn’t based on Android

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Word I used “kinda” it says it all.
And as I said Im not a developer.

Any other way and and doesnt matter how you look at it there is an android somewhere between the layers.

Coming along, looks like people here are alergic to even the word android and automaticly discards everything other that user is commenting on :stuck_out_tongue:

I am personally not allergic to android, but “kinda based on android” is an obvious technical gibberish. Some basic knowledge how android apps work on Sailfish OS and what is Sailfish OS can be found here: Sailfish OS - Wikipedia

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As @NIS and @Bohdan already pointed out, exactly the above statement is not true.

True statements are:

  • SailfishOS uses device drivers made for Android.
  • In contrast to that “Android App Support (AAS)” (original name: AlienDalvik) is a full AOSP-derived Android-distribution (like e.g. LineageOS, formerly called CyanogenMod) with some additional components (shared clipboard etc.), which runs in an LXC container (exactly like Waydroid / ex-Anbox).
    But AAS is not an integral part of SailfishOS, it is a proprietary, optional add-on for which one needs to buy a license.
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It is not just drivers… Lemme quote myself https://xdaforums.com/t/sailfish-os-for-xiaomi-mi-note-10-4-4-0-72.4523365/post-89859072

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I guess this is not to talk about SailfishOS.
Mail app can’t retrieve emails since Saturday. Is it C2 issues ? I can send emails but no new emails received.
Also Microtube often stops as ‘buffer dropped’ error. Is it becaude memory of C2 is too little ?
Also C2 does not recognise USB-C headphone, BT headphone keeps connected but suddenly sounds come from speaker instead of the headphone.

Any C2 users also face those issues ?

C2 Feedback:

  1. In germany it connects and makes calls and sends sms on sim1 or sim2 4G, cannot send/receive MMS though (telecom, reception for mobile network is much better than Librem 5, wifi seems a little slow to connect)
  2. in the US you can send SMS messages but mobile data connection mostly crashes, sim disappears, it shows 2.5G as network indicator, you have to restart it 2-4 times, turn on airplane mode, turn it off after restart wait etc… only works sporadically
  3. boot is surprisingly slow, my Librem 5 with byzantium boots faster with full disk encryption
  4. camera is great and works fast, though when taking pictures into direct sunlight colours are a bit washed out and images are overexposed and have a blue tinge (you will have to play with the white balance settings to make it look good)
  5. the sailfish os UI and touch interactions are intuitive, fluid, and flawless
  6. apps are great, and except puremaps haven’t experienced too many app crashes!
  7. GPS appears slow to get a lock, i don’t think it is using any AGPS, also GPS uses online mozilla service which doesn’t exist anymore, so that probably needs to be fixed, instead use AGPS
  8. Aliendalvik and Android integration is leaving something to be desired, at first it worked and I could browse the web using duckduck go android app, but then suddenly no more internet connectivity is detected, works with WIFI does not work with mobile data (known bug), apps like soundcloud do not stream any music with message “SoundCloud won’t run without Google Play services, which are not supported by your device”
  9. Jolla should really have a default disks app so you can claim ownership of a SD inserted from another phone, format, mount systems etc… just like the Gnome Disks app, even when i chowned defaultuser for the SD card, some Jolla Store apps still could not access the data on the SD card, for example kdbx password database
  10. the android storage is separate from C2 sailfish storage, it would be nice to have an option for full integration, where images taken on an android app are simply saved in the pictures folder for sailfish os, using permissions (in general maybe have unified permissions between android and sailfish os)
  11. OpenVPn doesn’t work, does not connect for imported profile conf, does not ask for password, I don’t think it uses or properly sets up the routing doesn’t work for some openvpn configuration files like Purism One Open VPN, and for those where it works e.g. proton openvpn it requires use of credential pass.txt file that stores the user name and password
  12. I tried to copy 32GB from my SD card to the Sailfish OS documents folder and it claimed to be out of space, even though there was plenty of storage remaining, so copying many large files fails, or $home storage isn’t setup properly by default
  13. the sailfish OSK is awesome on this device no delays or lag (other than decrypt and login OSK) and rarely mistype, it would be nice of course if it had a auto suggest or complete feature but that is secondary
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OpenVPN certainly does work. I have my Jolla C2 set up with ProtonVPN. I’d make sure you have set up an openvpn credentials file and that it is using that.

in the US you can send SMS messages but mobile data connection mostly crashes, sim disappears, it shows 2.5G as network indicator

I don’t think it was ever advertised as being able to support all the bands in the US, or really any support in the U.S. at all. It (well, the Reeder S19 Max it is a rebadge of) supports common bands 3 (1800 MHz), 7 (2600 MHz), and 20 (800 MHz) for LTE (listing those as they are used across both Europe and U.S.) but YMMV on which carriers in the U.S. support them and most importantly, where (geographically) those bands are supported. It’s not like an iPhone which designed to work across basically the widest range of bands around the world.