Mobian is based on Debian. I have tried it but it has a lot to develop.
I don’t have any experience about Librem 5.
I agree, and I for one think SailfishOS provides a vastly superior experience.
Now, I have no idea how much money you have put into SFOS nor for how many years, but I wonder. You, too, seem to prefer Sailfish over Mobian. Yet, is the advantage really so small that it’s not worth what you paid?
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I have paid for Jolla since september 2023 124,8 €. It is not very big money. And I have bought C2 phone that I don’t like and don’t use. I don’t know how much Jolla get profit from C2,
When I pay for something I like thing or software is working and I can rely on it.
Sailfish on xperias is not very reliable. I can read almost everyday on forum problems. Sms is not working, calls don’t come thru, 4 G problems among others.
I never complain if something is not working on Debian because it is totally free. I just try to solve problems.
I would like to have phone like PC which you put together from parts what you like. But we are not living in perfect world and we are escaping from it day and day faster.
Reason why I use Sailfish or another alternative is I don’t like google or apple.
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I should say, problem is that you never read about the thousands that actually work with no, or marginal problems. 
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I want to rely on phone and basic function calling will work. I have old mother and if she has problems I want her calls come thru.
You mean those who just gave up and move on without complaining?
SFOS is a long way from being good. It’s just about getting by in terms of functionality and breaks a lot in annoying ways. I’ve been using SFOS since 2019, but my patience is wearing thin. And that was even before the price hike and change to what boils down to a SaaS model.
Please keep your hubris to yourself.
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You’re obviously uninformed or possibly misinformed (or maybe you just wanted to insult me), but other than that, I’ve been an SFOS user since its inception (2014) and my phones have always worked satisfactorily.
Of course, every new piece of hardware has required a certain break-in period, short or long, but at the end of the day, it’s always resulted in a working everyday-phone.
In fact, I think most problems are user-created, or due to misplaced expectations.
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My three phones and my wife’s one work fine with only tiny problems but naturally the well known limitations. In general we’re both happy with it. Especially me because it’s possible to tweak the system and I like to do so.
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Uninformed or misinformed about what, exactly? the fact that you are happy with what I can only describe as a piss poor experience doesn’t mean everyone else is guaranteed to be equally satisfied.
Projecting the problems of the platform onto the users is just pure gaslighting and is unacceptable.
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Please don’t feed the trolls! 
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Was a joke
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That would be fine, and standard phones same way as standard PC’s.
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I cannot give you first hand advice here since my mother died years before SFOS came out and she very rarely calls nowadays.
This forum is full of complaints because people see no reason to tell us about things that simply work. And that is alright for me as long as there is an actual problem and the will to solve it. If the post is just about complaining than there might be other reasons why your mother’s calls sometimes don’t come through.
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Oooh, that’s a can of worms you do not want to open.
The development of the Librem 5 is a very good example why “It’s ready when it’s ready” is always the best answer, and why you need people with technical skills to lead development.
Watching that slow plane crash probably was, in retrospect, one reason why I chose SFOS in the end.
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I’m glad this thread has settled more into actual brainstorming; the first half really triggered me.
It’s like someone going into a cornerstore and telling them how to run their business because they don’t stock their favorite product.
FWIW, somebody already linked this but I’ll post the relevant bit here because there’s been a lot of misinformation in this thread:
Q: Are you considering keeping one-time-fee (perpetual) Sailfish license available?
A: Yes, we are and also based on the feedback it looks that we keep the option for a Sailfish OS (perpetual) license with fixed fee available for all supported device models. This will be offered next to the subscription model.Q: I get the point you want to charge a subscription but would rather pay it yearly, will that be possible?
A: Yes, it will be.Q: Will Sailfish OS and AppSupport continue working if I end my subscription?
A: Yes, we won’t be blocking the use. However, you would not receive releases, upgrades and new features.Q: Will the Free Trial version continue? Also for newer device models?
A: Yes, we’re committed to continue offering the Free Trial license. Next additions to the Free Trial versions will be for Sony Xperia 10 IV and 10 V.Q: What’s the plan with Sony Xperia XA2, 10, 10 II and 10 III?
A: They continue working as long as it’s technically feasible to support them. Hopefully we support them still years, like we’re used to, but eventually also those will deserve a retirement plan.Q: Does this affect someone who already has a phone and a license? Do I need to pay subscription in the new Jolla Community Phone/C2?
A: The subscription model does not affect to one-time-fee (perpetual) licenses. The Jolla Community Phone comes with 12 months subscription included, after (and during) which you can freely choose whether to continue with the subscription model or pay a one-time-fee (perpetual) license.
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Kudos! Very good post. 
There are promises and then there is reality. This FAQ reads like a list of broken promises, as reality is very different than what was promised. Xperia development is stalled to the level where it is not really a viable option any longer and the perpetual license has not been offered for the future Sony phones. Instead, the Sony phones are referred to as ‘legacy’, implying that options for Sony phones are not going to be around in the future.