Direction for the future of SFOS?

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#1

The OS has been turned into an OS-as-a-service model and it seems that Xperia phones are now basically deprecated.

This direction is just not what I want from a phone OS. I need the access to exchange to have a functioning phone, so I’m tied to the functionalities that the X-suite offers me. As this is part of the service, I can’t just pause the subscription. I just can’t accept any kind of software as a service for something as important as my phone in my life. Never going to happen.

As far as the phone offerings go, I think that the C2 is way off the mark in terms of what I’m looking for in a phone, so for me this is not a compelling proposition at all.

PostmarketOS or LineageOS is now looking better to me for every day that passes without a working release with all features working on for the Xperia 10 V or VI on a perpetual license. Is it time to leave the SailfishOS ecosystem behind, or is there hope for improvement?

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#2

It was only confirmed for appsupport that it will continue to work at the level you had when subscription runs out, but pretty sure that also means your exchange support will continue to work also with the same restrictions (unless MS makes a change and you need an update, then I guess 5$ will be needed to get back on ‘latest’, but O365 support is already flaky at best, so whatever). If you don’t want to pay for updates, you’ll just be on the last updated version your sub covered, seems fair, how many updates to exchange were there in last few years? Maybe pmOS/lineage has better exchange support, good luck

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#3

I guess you need to inform yourself better. As all is not how you assume.

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#4

Link to where jolla confirm they will remotely disable your exchange or app support?

#5

Paying for updates when you need them constantly pretty much boils down to SaaS. Are you saying it is something else?

#6

Exactly. Long ago it was announced that subscription will not be the only way.

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#7

How many updates were there to exchange support over last 3-5 years? You can install 4.5 sfos and it will most likely still work (or still not work, MS did force oauth2 kinda recently, APIs don’t change every month), if you’re afraid MS changes their api every month you can complain to MS, but pretty sure that’s not the case

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#8

There have been enough changes in Android and Exchange combined to really necessitate frequent updates, so saying you can skip these is really not in line with reality as I experience it. To me paying for updates boils down to SaaS, it’s as simple as that.

#9

Here is an extensive list of pmOS/lineageOS updates that covered exchange support updates:

EDIT: and best of all, all of them free

#10

That’s somewhat disingenuous, there are plugins for Thunderbird to achieve it, and they can run on PMOS. Please stop the gaslighting.

#11

And it has zero to do with pmOS or lineageOS, if you pay for plugin support good for you, if the version you paid for doesn’t work anymore you can discuss with the plugin developer if you get the new version for free, or have to pay again, subscription is fine for plugin developers?

#12

“As far as the phone offerings go, I think that the C2 is way off the mark in terms of what I’m looking for in a phone, so for me this is not a compelling proposition at all.”

Can I ask why?

“Experience Sailfish OS as it’s meant to be, on a limited-edition device brought to you in collaboration by Jolla and Reeder, our esteemed European manufacturing partner.”

As an avid Sony user in my past, I must say that I’m mighty impressed with the C2.

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#13

Basically it is too large and too slow.

If you want to have some context: The type of phone I liked a lot was the Sony Z compact -series. I had a Z3C and Z5C. Unfortunately phones that small, yet powerful are no longer being made.
But besides that I also just don’t trust Reeder at all in terms of reliability, so there is that as well.

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#14

If you are not willing to pay X amount every half a year (or major upgrade) for a alternative OS, where you only pay this for the commercial components like AppSupport and Exchange etc… If im not wrong there was also somewhere the thought about also offering a one time payment option.

But until it’s all decided and announced we can all only speculate on how the final pricing etc will be.

You will just have to wait till then.

Also the free Version will stay free so if you can live without the Commercial Components then you don’t have to pay a dime.

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#15

But then it’s the same as paying X amount for Y support months, SaaS again, how dare they, we demand lifetime updates

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#16

It would be nice to hear something about the one time payment options real soon, as well as a complete release on the Xperia 10 V. My Xperia 10 III is on its last legs and I can’t really afford to wait much longer. If nothing happens in the next month or two it will be adieu to SFOS, I’m afraid.

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#17

Yeah I can totally understand you but Jolla has no other option, at least for the Sony Devices then to work with what Sony gives them in terms of software Blobs for the Hardware.

The slow adoption mostly has to be put on Sony for providing non really good functional Blobs of Software.

Also Jolla can only start adopting after the Xperia Devices are added to the ASOP Programm and that also takes some time until that happens so yeah.

But still very frustrating.

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#18

Not even sure if jolla should even bother with sony at this point, couple of months with direct access to sources with C2 results in better experience than 2 years of XIII and being cockblocked by sony’s aosp team and that’s with much weaker hw in each and every way (cpu, display etc etc)

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#19

That´s the thing with life. It only goes in one direction…forward. I´m happy that another manufacturer had some guts and invested so that we have a dedicated device. Time will tell I suppose. Meantime I´ll support them for having the testicles to do it! :wink:

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#20

No, I mean the differences between 5.0.0.43 and .55 are like day and night, this would never happen with sony handset, like with XIII the sony guys have problems setting kernel config options

People expecting xperia support to be top notch are bit lost, it is what you get from sony, jolla can’t afford to fix their cheapskating

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