More RAM does not make it any faster. It is about capacity to have more things loaded, not to run them any faster.
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I strongly disagree with such interpretation for that initial batch of pre-orders for Jolla. It goes against evidence that 41% voted for 5”. Clearly there is a unique community that goes totally against 3% statistics. I don’t think we should assume that 41% just lied here and in reality they will just buy a 6” phone. Yes, like somebody said, that small loud community is right here within this fanbase of Jolla. 41% is too far (13.7 times far) from 3% to measure the potential success for the 2k batch with 3% statistic from Apple.
As for the specs, the best approach is just another poll. I would not advocate for anything in particular because main 6” phone is good.
Tizen with Samsung and Intel are also guilty, but MS killed Linux phones. Maemo is such a nice OS for phablets like the n900. Meego has Been adopted a lot by Android, by the way…
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I didn’t want to share my feelings about everything you’ve said. However, since everyone is persistent:
Your points are all consistent, from your perspective. But let’s not focus on the 41%; that figure is still the result of a vote for a compromise.
I can assure you that 41% of people won’t buy a mini version for a reason no one has mentioned here yet: the compromises.
The ideal size for me would be between 5 and 6 inches. I voted the same as you. Jolla suggests 6.36 inches. Personally, I’m willing to accept that compromise.
I pre-ordered the J2, and if a mini version is released, I won’t pre-order it for at least four years, and certainly not at those prices. I clearly can’t afford it, and I don’t think I’m the only one. Until then, I hope Jolla has enough funding to develop another phone, or even two, that would be even better. 
I don’t think I’m the only one who reasoned this way. And I’m not counting the people who voted for one or the other just for the sake of voting.
We can assume the truth probably lies somewhere between 3 and 41%, but whoever knows the exact figure is a genius.
In any case, the best thing to do right now if you want a mini version to be developed someday is to support Jolla however you can, and why not by pre-ordering their J2? The more they can make a living from selling their products, the sooner you can hope to see a version that might better meet your needs.
If ordering the J2 isn’t possible for you right now, or if it’s not something you’re willing to compromise on, wait a few years. But support Jolla and spread the word. Others might be willing to make that compromise.
Ultimately, this is just my opinion, and it’s no better than anyone else’s.
PS: This message is translated. It may contain errors or interpretations that are not my original ones. Unfortunately, I will not respond to any comments on this message.
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I will not buy the big phone, because there is no chance I will use it. Not my kind of charity.
But of course I already spread the word on social networks about Linux phone Jolla and will continue to do that.
If Jolla skips this opportunity altogether to make a 5” phone and tensions with America go completely south, then I am pretty certain that some other company will introduce a new suitable for me Linux phone.
Regarding Jolla I was excited when I saw this kind of direct interaction with customers using polls.
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It’s not about lying or telling the truth. I voted for the smallest option, but I can compromise because there are things more important than a phone being a couple of millimetres taller and wider than I’d prefer, like a phone that is actually mine and doesn’t do things I don’t want it to do. I’d much rather a phone that’s a bit bigger than a smaller phone that doesn’t exist, never comes to fruition or has to cut down on other specifications to make it all work. So far you’ve repeated why you think a smaller phone would be popular, which is fair enough, but you haven’t explained how you think it’s feasible - several people have already pointed out that it quite simply isn’t possible based on the hardware parts Jolla can get their hands on, even if you could miraculously pull ten thousand pre-orders for a smaller phone out of thin air, the parts needed to make that phone would still first need to exist.
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My understanding is that Jolla would not have asked about 5” in the first place if it was not feasible. I consider it pointless trying to search for some parts for Jolla (leaving this job to professional developers, this is basically the purpose of a phone company), I don’t precisely know how it works. I assume that production outsourcing is very developed in 2026 and there are Chinese companies who are able to create displays based on designs for a couple of thousand units batch. Displays are not processors or RAM, there is a lot of flexibility in terms of production.
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You would be wrong. Not because it’s not possible to outsource production to some Chinese company but because it would be too expensive: The cost of a piece of hardware (independent of what type of hardware it is) consists not just of a cost per unit but also of fixed costs. If you produced a million displays, the fixed costs might be at, say, $1 per unit, but if you produced only 10k the same fixed costs would amount to $100 per unit.
And while I don’t know the cost, Jolla certainly does and they decided to use a 6.3” screen off the shelf instead of the voted-for 6.0” screen
That being said, Jolla wasn’t looking to make a 5” phone so we don’t know whether that would be possible with off-the-shelf components - we only know about 6.0” being unavailable (which might also apply to 5.7” to 6.2”)
Oh, 5”/6”/7” definitely were not the exact metrics. I mean this is ridiculous, almost every phone deviates from those round numbers. I would say, that 6.33 is just a good approximation of 6”, so everybody is fine with it. Choosing 5” means that it is definitely less than 6”.
I know it was just an approximation and not supposed to be exact. However, they were very specific with what devices they chose as references: the diagonals were 2x 5.0” for ~5”, 2x 6.0” and 2x 6.1” for ~6” and 6.52 for ~ 7”. I think it would be save to assume that a majority of ~5” in the poll would not have ended with a 5.9” phone but something closer to 5.0” than to 6.0”
Ok, but that could mean anything from 5.0” to 5.9” 
So, when you say, we need a 5” phone, what do you mean by that?
Something like that actually!
To be more clear I wrote in the first post what I personally consider to be adequate in terms of body size:
It would be just great if the phone is between 135 and 145 mm in length.
At the end it is all about either you can reach the top border of the phone with you thumb holding it in one hand, or you can not (hence the full display area is accessible for you). Especially for women.
Talking about the length of the phone is more accurate maybe. My Zenfone 10 is 146.5 mm and the display is 5.92”, I also had Sony XZ2 compact and the length was 135 mm, but the display was the exact 5”, because screen-to-body ratio still sucked.
Adding more than 1 cm (because new Jolla will be 158 mm) is a game changer, you can no longer reach all the area of the display comfortably.
I know that increasing screen-to-body ratio is one of the most expensive things to do, so I bet something around 5.5” will keep the phone length between 135 mm and 145 mm.
Huh, I didn’t know you could do that with a Zenfone 10 
I always thought the aspect ratio is too long to reach all the way up…
So if it would have been exactly 6.0” it would have worked?
But I think that is a good definition, although a bit abstract (it also depends on hand size and how you hold your phone)
Do you have any thoughts regarding the ideal aspect ratio?
I struggle indeed, it is not okay.
Definitely not for Jolla phone, because it is too expensive to maximize screen-to-body ratio, so I bet the maximum for Jolla to keep the phone length less than 145 mm is somewhere below 5.7”. But Galaxy S25 is actually 147 mm in length with 6.2” display.
No, I think it is not relevant to me, aspect ratios slightly change over time, I have not heard that people pay too much attention to that. I just expect something “normal”. Not IKKO obviously.
We’ll have to disagree for now. The 41% you keep using as an estimate of the likely market is just one poll result out of six-seven, which is one reason why I’m more pessimistic about the outcome for a second phone model in the same limited space.
But as a small-phone leaning person, I would be happy to be proven wrong. The J2 is currently at 7590 pre-orders, which would correspond to 6620 pre-orders for the J2 mini (47% voted 6", so 41/47*7590≈6620). A decent fraction of those should turn up in this thread, either as likes or as supporting posts.
Edit: I’m still in favour of discussing the idea, especially if it results in something more like a defined product like hinted in the title of your OP.
Are you sure? That sounds like a wild difference.
Have you seen the recent appearance model posts? Maybe that’s just me but the screen borders don’t seem to be as big or asymmetrical as the renders suggested
People did complain about the aspect ratio of Xperias (21:9) being too high and in case of the new aspect ratio of the Xperia 10 VII of it being too wide. @Kanthal mentioned narrowness of aspect ratios as a problem above:
What does IKKO mean?
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It is the only poll result we have, why not acknowledge it? Those 41% were 401 votes, the 6” option got only 464 votes - only 63 more. That’s not a big difference and I don’t see a reason we should not look into it
A lot of people preordered the Jolla Phone after hearing about it in the news. Even Jolla was surprised by the interest. Everyone who isn’t already part of the community is not going to show up here and create an account just to like some post about a future smartphone that hasn’t even been planned yet.
I don’t know where you got those numbers from or what you are trying to do with them but just to clarify: the market is the amount of phones sold, not just the amount sold by Jolla.
The EU has a population of over 400 million people. If your suggested 3% market share is correct, there would be 12 million people wanting a smaller smartphone and if only 0.1% of them were buying the proposed Jolla Mini that is already ~12k devices
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Of course we have to stay pessimistic, but the hope gives the fact that even if you divide those potential 6.6 k by the factor of 3, this is still a minimum acceptable result for Jolla. We just don’t know for now how many small phone apologists have decided to compromise for Jolla new bigger phone. The truth is somewhere between 3% and 41%.
After this discussion I understand that strategically Jolla can’t launch any survey for this potential smaller phone nor give any other heads up regarding their opinion before all phones from current preorders are shipped. Because there is a risk that people with preorders will flip in the process to the smaller phone, which brings unnecessary risks to the production chain.
I guess I will return to this topic in 3-4 months.
Borders of Jolla phone are pretty huge as there is 6.33” display with 158 mm length body. And Galaxy S25 has 6.2” with 147mm, also 0.5 cm difference in width.
That is why I try to assess design capabilities of Jolla realistically and do not expect a display more than 5.7 if the goal is to keep the body length less than 145 mm.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ikko/ikko-mind-one-ai-smartphone?ref=user_menu
This phone. It is fun, but I don’t consider it as a main phone.
It is true, I track preorders for the last few days and it seems that it is almost 100 new preorders per day. I am inclined to attribute this to growing political tensions in relations with the US.
12k preorders for a smaller Jolla phone would be awesome!
Seriously? I mean, even in the part you quoted, I am literally acknowledging that poll result. Also:
And then:
This thread is literally the place where we look into it, just make your contributions. Also:
Now…
…if only you had followed the thread…
Those 3% seem to come from iphone mini sales (6M per annum?).
The 2000 MOQ came from Jolla’s initial announcement; I very much doubt that 2000 units at the indicated price will cover the expenses of developing a new phone, but maybe part of the work on the J2 can be carried over to a “J2 mini”.
If we apply that estimated global market share for small phones it follows that the J2 has to reach ~70’000 units sold for the “J2 mini” to reach MOQ. Simple math.
[That estimate was based on the (flawed) assumption that the 41% and 47% votes predict sales volumes.]
I agree that people won’t sign up to like a post for a phone that isn’t even planned.
However, there were ~1k individuals voting in the original polls, and as you say, 401 out of those voted for a 5" display. All those people already have an account, right? So how many of them have bothered to even add a like to show their interest in a smaller phone?
The OP (which only addresses the display size) has gathered 4 likes, while my post (which outlines a complete phone) got zero. That’s a grand total of 4. This is 1% out of those who voted 5" or 0.4% out of everyone who took part in the polls.
My conclusion is different. There is nothing to suggest using one poll result out of a handful will result in a valid estimate of sales numbers for a small phone. I will change my mind when you present evidence that a display size poll yields a substantially different distribution for iphone users.
The 3% is also optimistic, considering global market share for small phones, and even that estimate still means ~70’000 J2s sold to reach MOQ for the mini. I hope we’ll get there eventually, but it still is 10x more than we’ve reached atm.
Again, we will have to disagree about the estimated market for a potential “J2 mini” at this point, but you are welcome to act on your predictions and your conviction.
Maybe adjust that for the observed mean time between devices.
What you can do, instead of assessing Jolla’s design capabilities, is finding the capabilites needed to go with attah’s suggestion:
Why would they though?
You are taking about a thread that was like a wishlist for a phone we might have never seen. For example I don’t even remember if i selected 5 or 6, because a phone close to 6” 19.5:9 but a bit smaller maybe would have been perfect for me.
Jolla announced 6.36” 20:9 and I’m still ok with it and waiting to see that device.
I believe many would have been in the same position as me when the voting started and then when the campaign started.
One more thing is that most of us know that getting this phone on time and without problems will be hard enough already, so there’s no point arguing about a fantasy scenario where they can make a complementary device as well.