I don’t see how that idea is falling through, most people want to charge their phones in a car at home and there it doesn’t really matter if it takes 1, 2 h from 50-100%. If you intended to power charge almost empty phones at Starbucks during a coffee break it may be a bummer but that is some rather eclectic use case, especially as the battery should get you through the day even at fairly intensive use.
If you want a flagship phone, you are in the wrong forum. 90Hz is more than enough. If the experience. I have currently still an iPhone12 in use. It doesn’t even have 90Hz but 60Hz and I would not even know the difference. Fluidity is much more about the software anyway.
With magsafe they are claiming much higher efficiencies (if I remember correctly 80-90% or so), but don’t quote me on that. I have also never seen an actually independent study on real world efficiences with Magsafe or Qi2. Do you know where I could find that? Not that I would ever waste energy on that technology but I am curious.
Instead of getting hung up on the word “we,” I wish you had looked a little more at what I was trying to say. It feels like you are treating it as if I am bashing something and then lynching me for it.
The reason I used the word “we” is because I spend time on forums and Telegram groups. Inevitably, I see people’s dreams and ideas about TOH. So naturally, I have to use the word “we.” Why shouldn’t I? What am I supposed to do — go back into the past and ask, “Who was that guy?” and write that person’s name here?
In general, people had dreams about The Other Half. For example, there was even a topic saying that wireless charging absolutely had to be included. Also, if you look at Jolla’s The Other Half poll, where they asked people to write their dreams and what they would most like to see become real, you can see the kinds of things people generally imagined. Many of those dreams have now been left unfinished.
That is exactly what I was expressing. What is wrong with that? You are warning me not to use the plural word “we” again, but maybe you personally don’t care about something like this; however, the people I meant by “we” definitely did care. I already explained this above, and I explained it again because it seemed necessary to do so. I hope that is enough.
Are you sure you’ve been reading my posts? Why are you giving me ideas like “iPhone direction”? Here, some things are missing, and I’m just pointing that out.
I think the Starbucks example is being misunderstood. It could be Starbucks or many other places. The reason we charge at the table is to meet our quick needs at that moment. Wireless charging isn’t meant for daily continuous use. Nowadays, people constantly struggled to find cables and outlets, which meant a person had to carry both their phone and a charger, or deal with a power bank. That’s why solutions like MagSafe or wireless chargers in cafés emerged.
The wattage it provides seems low to me. If it weren’t low, even the older Android phones would have had better wattage support. I think it’s that simple.
Wireless chargers, in general, are not meant to be used every day. They are there to provide convenience in cafés and with accessories, and to save us from having to carry outlets and those long cable setups with us. That is why wireless charging becomes the best tool for this purpose.
The reason wireless charging still continues today is convenience. Otherwise, of course, if we were to make a comparison, I would agree that maybe even 50% of iPhone users have only used the wireless charging feature for a very short amount of time.
I don’t see the problem here? The 5-9W is totally within the Qi-standard and I’m sure we see someone posting about their DIY-version in a month or a two after the phone is released.
I actually quickly read the best answers to the TOH-topic (link in the opening post), and if you exclude all the “Dream big” answers, where it was clear to everyone from the beginning, that the I³C bandwith would be an obstacle to even adequate implementation, the only case that is not possible with current specs is Qi2 TOH.
Could you list a few examples of things that many people wanted, but are not possible with the current implementation?
The only thing that matters to me is not being co-opted by a “we” that represents an imagined mass movement—one I am not part of and have no desire to be part of. That’s all I have to say on the matter, so I’m going to go enjoy the sunny weather.
I guess it is the bliss of not knowing the better thing
I mean I know 60 Hz vs 120 Hz on my PC Screen but maybe its personal but it really doesn’t stick out to me a lot. I am sure, if you tell me what exactly to look at, I could differentiate the too but I somehow can’t be bothered.
Anyplace you might find a wireless charger you might just as well find a USB-C plug. You’ll get more power, any phone from the last few years will support it and its cheaper too. Wireless charging in the vast majority of cases really is just an over-engineered solution made more for the “cool factor” rather than solving the problem in the most effective and/or efficient way possible.
Doesn’t take much more than a web search to find them. Plenty of ones out there. The basic conclusion of all of them is that its not very efficient. Apple’s only 80% efficient because they use magnets to precisely position the device and most makers don’t bother with that.
I remember trying to find some more detailed studies, not some one liners. Don’t remember finding something of that kind. Do you have a link to one?
80% is what I remember. Yes, magnets are the key to that but there is a reason why Magsafe and Qi2 rely on them. I mean, no precise alignment via magnets or other strategies, makes for even much more waste.
I don’t charge my phones on public places, but if I had to I would use a wireless charging pad without much concern.
But you really can’t convince me to plug anything on my phone. Just saying.
I’m 100% sure you’re the only one, who expected anything more than a standard slow refreshing screen, when e-ink was first mentioned. For most of the people, the first thought was probably a black and white screen. Those, who want to live on the cutting edge of e-ink display technology, can invest in color e-ink displays.
Why wouldn’t the phone get a continuous 9W when charging? The original Qi-standard was only 5W, but it was later expanded to support higher powers. With the oldest or lowest-power Qi-chargers you can only charge at 5W, because they can’t give you more, but with anything newer than 10 years, the phone can receive a steady 9W, at least until the battery starts to get full, at which point the charging slows down even when charging with a cable.
What’s the point of any functional TOH ideas/products? Or would it be better, if you could get TOHs in any color you want, as long as the color you want is black?
Some people want some functionality, and now they have the option to make it themselves, or buy it from someone else, who is making them. Or you can just ignore them completely and stick with the TOH that came with your phone.
What is the problem here? Is it that you only have 5V, 1A of power, so you won’t be using your phone as a 600W amplifier to real loudspeakers? Or is it that I³C is not suitable for audio transmission for some reason unkown to me? There are other audio applications than just bolting speakers to the side of a phone.
I’m trying my best, but no-one, who actually knows about these things, hasn’t answered yet, why I³C cannot be used for audio.
You yourself asked “What is the point of adding wireless charging?” and I correspondingly asked what’s the point of any TOH other than the one that comes with the phone?
I feel like all I’m getting from your responses are either lost in translation or methinks.
I don’t like people making sweeping assumptions about what people do or do not want
Slow wireless charging is exactly what I want. I charge overnight, and I used wireless because I am tired of replacing charging ports on all my devices after a year or two. And charging ‘slowly’ helps me preserve battery life.
For what my opinion is worth, TOH specs are fine.
I am mildly irritated that I had to sign in to this forum when I prefer to lurk, but unfortunately I think a lot of people only post on these forums to complain so I was compelled to add some balance
I’ve only ever had this problem with USB C. I think it is a combination of having children who couldn’t give a f**k, and bad luck. My current phone’s port is full of stone from demolishing a house, but that one’s on me. Regardless, the end result is the same - it is much more convenient if I can charge wirelessly!
