Any comments about your embarrassing comments how iPhone widgets were innovative, didn’t think so, have a good one
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Why wouldn’t it be innovative? Look at what you said: you said the N900 tried this first. If you remember correctly, what did I tell you? Look carefully at our previous conversation. I told you that Nokia was the pioneer of many projects like this at the prototype stage, but later Apple developed many things, advanced them, and pushed them forward.
If widgets were not innovative, why would so many operating systems today, even Chinese companies, be copying Apple, my friend? Forget that, even Android sometimes takes icons and visual elements from Apple. What does that mean? It means Apple succeeded, so others take from it. For example, the swipe thing in MeeGo succeeded, so Apple takes it too, hehehe.
No I didn’t say that, stop putting words in my mouth, widgets were a thing even on symbian s60 decade before jfc (and in exactly same dumb way as on iOS/android now, you had few predetermined widgets: calendar widget, clock, maybe an rss reader one, few to select and you could tweak their dimensions, whooopdedoo, the concept was old by the time n900 came out, you’re constantly spewing hallucinations)
I don’t get my words wrong, my friend. Look, I scrolled up a bit and I wrote this sentence, so what does that mean?
I had made my last sentence based on that sentence of yours. Otherwise, I also know that the history of widgets goes way back. That’s why I said that many projects were pioneered by Nokia, or however you want to interpret these things. But of course, they remained a bit more like prototypes. What I was trying to say was that we saw Apple take them, evolve them, and give them a different style and movement.
Pls stop fucking lying:
you said the N900 tried this first.
I said the concept might’ve been popular during n900 times, but was in no way innovative, it’s been on symbian communicators for over a decade by then, get a grip, I’m done with your slop
Stop twisting the meaning of the sentence in a different direction. You’re driving a car and you still can’t decide whether to stay on the right road or the left road, and you’re dragging me along behind you too.
I explained the function of widgets, and then you ask me, “Are you claiming Apple was innovative in this sense?” Yes, I am. At the end of the day, when I look at it, most of the widgets that many operating systems, or usually custom UIs placed on top of Android, have brought were inspired by Apple.
What does that mean, microphone-head? You can’t make something successful be called unsuccessful, because at the end of the day, most of the brands with market share are moving in that direction and taking inspiration from it, if you notice. Just like Nokia pioneered many projects and others took inspiration from it. Why did you drag this out so much, man?
Is it only me, or why would anyone want that?
Every native application has chance to make their own cover show what ever information they want and additionally have an action.
Media Player already has those, and there are even 3rd party native apps doing the same.
Well, in my opinion, a widget is a small, simple, and quick information screen that displays information, and sometimes has one or two shortcuts for quick actions, without the need to having to open the entire app.
What are the things missing from app covers, that you don’t consider them widgets?
What are the things that are not in widgets, but are in app covers?
I once had to use iOS device for a week for a work event, and in my opinion it was the worst OS I had ever used, and was happy to hand the phone away after the week.
How are they not a widget?
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Please don’t label/quote my sentences one by one, because there are already long explanations underneath each thing you label, and they have already been explained. But still, let me be humble toward you and explain it again.
In my previous sentence, I said this to the person we are discussing right now: what you think is a widget is not completely a widget; it is more like a shortcut bar. What I mean here is that calling something that disappears when it is closed a widget feels a bit ridiculous, because a widget is kind of like a frame.
For example, I still wouldn’t count something fixed as a widget, but it is still a type that can be counted, so it shouldn’t be ignored. We currently have a weather widget, if you notice, or the calendar; both are in the same place. But many of our widgets are still missing.
For me, something that disappears when it is closed is not a widget. The thing that person is trying to make people call a widget is something even the CEO who spoke about it in the past did not call a widget. So I am now explaining this to him: even the person who introduced that demo did not call it a widget, but you are calling it a widget.
I think I have explained this. If there is anything you do not understand, absolutely go ahead…
Now, that is a very general sentence. I can’t really criticize it as good or bad, because in the end, tastes and preferences are different. I already said in my previous sentence that iOS has recently stopped making progress in terms of design. But that does not mean the operating system is completely terrible.
In this discussion, we were already looking at what is generally liked and accepted. I don’t even need to say it myself; when you put the market shares in front of you, it clearly shows who has influence in the market.
That is why I said no one should think of themselves as king without going outside. And if we want to bring down a king, we first need to get inside and understand it. What are they doing that people like, right?
Look at what they call the thing you’re talking about, and what they call the thing I’m talking about. Read these…
I ma not sure this is the right approach. With 0.01% market share (15000 J2 vs. 134 million EU smartphone shipments, according to Samsung led European smartphone market in 2025, Apple and Honor grew the most in the Top 5 - GSMArena.com news ), SFOS isn’t necessarily fighting to be on par for each feature. It needs to be a workable solution for the 0.01% that want something else.
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I wasn’t the one dragging the topic out; scroll up and look, simple. =)
The one dragging the topic out was him, constantly asking questions and digging into it. In fact, he was actually the one who started the whole thing. Wait, let me tag him, you won’t believe it…:
He says such insulting things about me to someone else, and I’m supposed to stay quiet? Haha, no, never.
Of course, this is not about direct competition; we were simply discussing which phones people demand today, why they want them, what these companies do that makes people attached to those phones, what kind of marketing methods they use, which features they offer, and how they keep people inside their own ecosystems.
Otherwise, I also know that Jolla is not competing with them. But of course, one day, somewhere, it will have to compete. I think this is one of their goals. Am I wrong?
A company has not given up for 13 years; what do you think the reason for that could be? 
In my opinion, this clearly shows that they are also waiting for the right time for something, and that no matter what happens, they want to keep moving forward and never want to give up.
That is laughable nonsense. It takes two to have an argument.
Both sides disagree, so at some point you have to decide it’s not worth the effort, given you are unlikely to change each other’s mind, and just causing problems for the rest of the sailors hoping to just enjoy the sunshine & have a casual discussion.
If you REALLY must continue this argument (although I cannot imagine why) then please start your own thread. It will take no effort.
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No thread was actually opened; he was the one who wouldn’t stop. I don’t like being spoken to in a demeaning way. Even if he did the same thing to someone else, I would still step in and respond. It’s something I really dislike. This guy used to do the same thing to other people in his previous arguments as well. I even told him back then that he shouldn’t box, but he challenged me to a boxing match. In the end, we boxed, and he understood. He keeps confusing me with other people.
Anyway, thank you for directing that kind of remark at both of us. Also, let’s close this thread. I only said that it was lacking in that particular respect. It dragged on while I was briefly listing the shortcomings in response to someone else’s discussion about the iOS pages. I didn’t start this thread. Please delete it—just close it and let it go. This isn’t even really a thread; it’s just the conversation dragging on. Just delete it. @filip.k
“Why isn’t this different OS more like the other OS I’ve been trying to get away from?”
Of course it’s still a valid question but maybe you deserve to get swamped by one of our resident trolls.
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I didn’t run away from any operating system. As I said, I follow both of them and keep track of what they’re doing. Given the way you phrased it, you’re justified in interpreting it that way, but you’re overlooking one point here: what are SFOS’s shortcomings, where is it better than iOS, and where is iOS better than SFOS? That is exactly what we were discussing.
Of course, I’m not saying they should copy iOS the way Chinese brands do. Anyway, I think I’ve more or less demonstrated that something is missing. There haven’t been any real innovations in the interface for many years, so this isn’t something we can change ourselves. We’ll have to wait and see. However, before any of those changes happen, there are probably more important matters and problems related to the core components that need to be addressed, so I think it will take them a long time to get around to this side of things.
“get away” ≠ “run away”
The point is, I haven’t tried to get away from either of them. I follow both closely and use both.