I just explained it above please scroll up instead of repeating same question
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- Get EU grant for development ânew generation AI-ready etc.â mobile platform.
- Opensource as much as possible, maybe split SFOS into non-OSS and OSS layers.
- Finally Qt 6
- Simplify contributions as much as possible. Use EU grant from point1 to speed up development by encouraging external contributions.
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IMO, they should ride the current wave of independence on US tech, negotiate with EU to support Sailfish to be the EU-made OS and get SFOS slowly on par with Android/iOS.
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I also think that there should be great opportunities for Jolla with current geopolitical climate. Lets hope that Jolla can materialise those sooner than later. Extra finance should help with moving to Qt6 which to my understanding should make the app development much more app to date
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Remains the question what EU would request from Jolla for support. Does anyone believe EU are (overstatement) holy and only US is evil (/overstatement) ?
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I think that EU at should grant subsidies for technologies like Sailfish to gain some level technological independence. They are already pumping money to defence and one aspect of that is data security where Sailfish could really shine. At least there has been some statements that EU should push for technological independence which would be really hard without own phone OS. But as you implied politics are politics and I wouldnât buy the idea that EU is holy in this regard
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Media told us so and there are many uncritical believers out there.
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No, i really do not.
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You mean beat the free market by using subsidies right? Not by building a good product to conquer the market without government interference, but by accepting governments money. Did Apple or Google/Alphabet received subsidies? You are naive to think that this would be the solution. A lot of people here are for privacy and you want to take money from EU, the political entity that introduce EU Digital Services Act? The solution is simple: get money from the free market like Apple/Alphabet/Meta/ etc. did. Not from russian government(Rostelecom) or other political entities.
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Europe had as mobile phone producers with their own OSes: Nokia, Alcatel, Siemens, Sagem, Ericsson, BenQ just to name some companies. Who bankrupt them? Putin, Trump or Xi Jinping? Letâs not fool ourselvesâŚ
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But still important that any EU solution would preferably be decentralized, not in the hand of oligarchs from whatever nation. This might be a prerequesite for a favourable privacy perspectiveâŚ
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Those unelected bureaucrats form Brussels are oligarchs. And they are centralized. My proposal it is really decentralized: get money from the free market where each one of us can invest and have a say for the future of Sailfish. With pseudo-solutions like subscriptions and licenses we just give money without a say.
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Of course subsidies or favourable financing arenât long term solutions and shouldnât be seen as those. More of like in defence field that EU is giving money to boost the production capacity and making possible to innovate with less risk. Definitely need to push so that Sailfish can stand on its own without any interface. And definitely need to make sure that possible subsidies donât have any fine print that would require Jolla give any data to any 3rd party governmental or otherwise.
But as we are living in geopolitical situation we are Jolla should make best of it. If Jolla can gain financial assistance without giving up privacy etc it could improve Sailfish faster. Finances are probably one of key problems for Jolla to address problems like moving to the qt6.
Meanwhile and after some years of experience I think itâs better to leave everything as it is and Iâm happy to have a tinkerphone that does what I want it to do and canât do what commercial players and Big Brother wants it to do. Jolla got a lot of well-intended advices from community in the last years and didnât react on them. So I assume they know why. Itâs not necessary to teach them.
Imagine, EU would finance something with SFOS. Jolla likely would have to open backdoors, make the phone compatible with digital government, digital payment and all this BS. Users agreement taken into the EULA you have to agree before installation and without agreement no installation. Who really wants this?
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I mean take governmental money to make good enough OSS foundation allowing to community finally step in. Then government can enjoy their own version with backdoors and stuff, and community members - just build on top of opensource vanilla SFOS version (like android). EU would get something not-produced-in-US, community would get SFOS open sourced, win-win, no?
While I fully concur with all the statements in that message, it misses the most crucial point, IMO:
Security support for Qt 5.6 ended 6 years ago (16 Mar 2019).
Since then (> 6 years) mentioning SailfishOS and IT security in the same sentence is laughable, because there are many exploitable bugs well documented when they were fixed for later Qt releases.
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Oh boi
If you think thatâs the issue you sure havenât thought of outdated kernel xd
The âfunnyâ thing is, that making the whole, basic SailfishOS (i.e. without AlienDalvik / AAS and EAS = Exchange Active Sync) Open Source Software this would not only resolve Jollaâs home-made âstuck with Qt 5.6â issue, but also a couple of other crucial points:
- It would provide developers with an incentive to invest time into a sinking boat, because only a completely open-sourced SailfishOS makes maintaining it without Jolla possible.
I.e., as long Silica, 5G drivers and a couple of other components in the basic SailfishOS are Jollaâs own property, an insolvency administrator must treat them as assets of financial value and try to monetise them; consequently Jollaâs death would result in SailfishOS being dead. - For the same reason, SailfishOS is not suitable to achieve Digital Sovereignty: Due to its proprietary components, SailfishOS still creates a vendor lock-in.
Even worse, in contrast to Googleâs, Microsoftâs, Oracleâs etc. software products, one cannot expect Jolla to still exist in 3 years from now: So, whom would you rather like to depend upon as a company or government? - Last but not least, SailfishOS being proprietary renders all Open Source funding by the EU and other entities (NL.net, Sovereign Tech Agency etc.) inaccessible for Jolla.
I do know how many times I have written this (mostly in threads in this forum), partially more detailed.
It is futile, most sailors seem to still carry the old Nokia mindset:
OSS is nice, because it is freely adaptable software at no cost in source code form, which is even maintained by others; âcommunityâ means to have a large amount of unpaid beta testers at hand to make our product ready for big, commercial licensees.
There is so much more Jolla would be able gain by proper interactions with their different communities (e.g., SailfishOS contributors, app developers, advanced users, and newbies), as all major, commercial Linux distributions (RedHat / Fedora, (open)SUSE, Canonical / Ubuntu) successfully demonstrate for far more than a decade.
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thatâs well knownâŚ
well to everyone except jolla
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Those are by far not that old (as Qt 5.6) and constitute a classic, structural issue with âAndroid vendor kernelsâ. But the kernel releases Android uses are always LTS releases (i.e. supported for years), and AFAICS, Sony sporadically updates their âAndroid vendor kernelâ source code releases for the Xperia models which they support by their Open Device Programme. A long time ago, I had the impression that Jolla then makes use of them. If my assessment here is correct, there is nothing more the participants in this supply chain can do, except for Jolla to drop the support of such a device (as with Jolla 1 as of SFOS 3.4.0 and Jolla C, Jolla Tablet and Xperia X as of SFOS 4.6.0) when no newer kernel source updates are released (by the Linux LTS maintainers and then by Sony).
In contrast to that, it is the mere hope for a big, commercial licensee of SailfishOS to become their customer (after having had initial success and then failed with Intex and Rostelecom for quite different reasons, and never having really started with Jala) who absolutely demands a *GPL3-free software stack, for which Jolla does not update Qt beyond 5.6.
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