Oh, I wasn’t aware of that. I was so busy vaccinating lizard people with fresh adenochrome, I almost fell of the earth.
Or maybe… He is one of them. I should know, you know?
(And my secret abrahametic freemasonic circle to rule the world counts on Threema and Signal. And since we are literally T H E M, they never found out about us.)
Very curious definitions, as I have been taught that “negative freedom” is a freedom that the government merely has to abstain from infringing, like protection of property, and that “positive freedom” is something that actually requires the government to take some positive action to ensure, like your freedom to life requires that you have the minimum sustenance.
Or, per Wikipedia: “Negative liberty is freedom from interference by other people. Negative liberty is primarily concerned with freedom from external restraint and contrasts with positive liberty (the possession of the power and resources to fulfill one’s own potential).”
Your definition seems like it was concocted to undo the negative freedom as it has hitherto been.
Secrecy of correspondence being one of the said negative freedoms.
Yeah right…if Pavel Durov is compromised, check who is in the board of Signal. I have an impression that are all other variants of Anom. How can any chat message be safe if they require your phone number?!?
Isaiah Berlin, philosopher, political scientist, wrote in 1958 an essay: ‘Two Concepts of Liberty’. He developed the idea of ‘positive’ and ‘negative’ freedom. He was an advocate of civil freedoms.
Freedoms are very important, but cannot exist ad libitum and always for each person, if they harm others.
Of course a state should not have control over Telegram etc. Therefore only access should be given incidentily by a judge and only with a reason, described in law (e.g. protecting vulnerable).
It still boggles my mind how something that uses your telephone number to create an account is considered private by some.
About ‘negative liberty’ you are close to what Berlin wrote: absence of interference from the authorities in your personal life. ‘Positive liberty’ however is the freedom you have to master yourself, to choose. What if some or many abuse this liberty e.g. by selling ketamine to children on Telegram? Then we have to deal with a dilemma.
Important point. Wire Secure Messenger (Swiss) does not require a phone number, only mail address and a password. Also available for Linux desktop. Great in video calling. Their business model: paid for by organisations and free for personal use.
Is the Wire App working properly(video, sound etc.) on your XA2 after the last Sailfish update and if so is Wire running on the last release 4.8.4? Thank you
On my XA2 plus it does not work. I checked on my 10 III and there it worked, but the image is vague and small.
Lately my son called over Wire. I had a working XA2 plus, an ipadmini and a Vollaphone. My sim was in the XA2 plus. Yet only the Vollaphone rang and I could proceed video calling on that device. Hopefully video calling will be possible on Jolla C2.
XA2 plus: Wire 4.6.3 does not work
10 III : Wire 3.82.38 vague
Vollaphone (with Android 13): 4.8.4 works well.
I got the apps from F-Droid.
If you want real privacy start from the basics.
It took me 2 minutes to find out your name, where you live and pictures of you and your family.
Nice RV by the way.
I have 4.6.3 and it works fine on XA2(4.6.0.15). The only problem is sound in video call is not loud enough. I was hesitant to upgrade to 4.8. and now that you say more recent release is not working I wont update Wire. Unless you update to latest and tell us it works since yours isnt working anyway 
After having updated Wire to 4.8 with Aurora, we tested it. It’s hardly usable: very weak sound is coming through and a vage image.
Perhaps Android 13 is needed?
The ultimate solution is education and enlightenment.
Unfortunately incompetence and ignorance are on the rise.
Education: there is no secure communication channel, when you are plugged into the internet. Make this presumption and find a way to communicate in a more secure way.
Laziness is one of the biggest enemies though.
Of your kind we do have here in Bulgaria too - twisting reality in no respectable manner. (:
Ontopic:
Come on, ppl - how could you call a messenger depending on GoogleApps an alternative?!?
I’m going to ignore that, because you are simply wrong… or a liar.
It always depends on what you want to achieve. There’s always a trade-off between practicality, convenience, and security. If your only goal is to prevent unauthorized access to your messages, and both you and the party you’re communicating with are disciplined enough, there are plenty of ways to achieve that—even while staying connected to the internet.
There’s no reason to discourage people from striving for privacy just because absolute privacy may not be achievable without completely giving up modern means of communication.
That’s so 100% true.
Not at all. There are younger people around that think/believe if they communicate via Signal, Telegram or whatever, their communication is someone secure. It is not. The better look for another and better way. Even GPG is not secure if not done offline. So I would rather discourage naive people. Too many people died or ended up in prison because of this.
The only secure way (IMO) is to d/encrypt offline on a dedicated device, that never sees the internet, that even does not have an internet port. There is some gray zone regarding data transfer, but we don’t want to go into detail here.
BR
Hahaha…eson just got rickrolled :))))
I think/hope eson was too busy contributing translations to be rickrolled. This was just my dark-humour reaction to the unpleasant post directed at a valued community member.
tl;dr Mayby we could just stay clear from doxxing (fake or otherwise), please?
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