But you would with a Fairphone because it does have a removable battery I believe, though not I think waterproof!
Thinking outside of the box here: If the Aurora OS phones already have a well working adaptation, then shipping them with Sailfish OS would be almost no work at all (Except for Android Support). Maybe Jolla should negotiate with them for a Jolla version of their hardware (As they did with Intex to produce the Jolla C) and bring out a new Jolla phone / phones?
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Crap hardware wont get you far. Aurora phones isn’t something i’d like to spend money on.
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This is a good idea and, I agree with you, would probably be an easy and cost effective win. But given that its an obvious win I have wondered why Jolla has not considered this approach already. I don’t know enough about mobile hardware in Russia, but maybe it operates on different frequencies (not used in other parts of the world), or maybe there is some commercial agreement that prevents this from happening or whatever. It does seem strange that there must be a near ready-made hardware solution, which presumably must be better working, adapted and more reliable than SFOS on the Xperia range (unless Russians care even less about this than the rest of us, which seems unlikey) that has not been progressed.
I’ve never seen an Aurora phone, why are they no good?
Aurora OS devices - #8 by kaktux take a look for yourself.
Other than them being -as it seems- run to the mil oem devices the “problem” is that a phone that will run SFOS must be designed with a SFOS philosophy in mind (gestures etc). That is also a problem for the xperia devices that jolla uses. Slapping SFOS on any device might work but doesn’t make for a great experience.
Downplaying a serious question does not help. Sony is Android and Fairphone is Android. Jolla choose Sony, but Sony has, like most contemporary devices no future if it does not work on ‘reduce, recycle and repair’. Fairphone was the first company that really made efforts, where Google and Puzzlephone failed. So it’s not a bad idea to coöperate with a company that wants to deliver sustainable products.
Giga could also be an option because they do some customisation, replacing batteries e.g. and perhaps others will follow. Higa products are made in Germany. This I know: every two years a new device is not only a lot of work for Jolla and the community, it is also a waste of materials and money and it is polluting.
The /e/ foundation works with Fairphone by the way. There have been meetings with Jolla in the past but coöperation was blown off. A pity.
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This I know: every two years a new device is not only a lot of work for Jolla and the community, it is also a waste of materials and money and it is polluting.
The /e/ foundation works with Fairphone by the way. There have been meetings with Jolla in the past but coöperation was blown off. A pity.
Ill be honest both are important to me and good points. It seems your last sentence answers my question really Jolla looked into it but did not go that route… so we are prob looking at a dead end here… sigh…
I think two questions are mixing.
- Do we need one sustainable device we can rely on for years?
Yes. We do and we can select one to push for hw updates if necessary (how many people uses SFos?)
1a. Why Jolla choose Sony instead of Fairphone?
Because SFos users are more interested in performance than in reuse+repair.
Personal experience: I managed to find a stability only when I switched to Xperia X, due to the hw limitations of Jolla 1
The final turn that allowed me to leave android support entirely is the latest browser update.
My plans are to stay with xperia x until network will permit it
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I doubt if Jolla wants to try it again with Fairphone, yet we can make a request. Surely Steve is right that coöperation with a small business that has similar ideas would be a good thing. Who else could be a candidate? I also have a Gigaset290 with /e/, just out of curiosity. Same device as Vollaphone.The device doesn’t have such a good sound and camera as the XA2, but everything works snappier and more reliable than my Sony with Sailfish. Without sim the satnav MagicEarth works fine on the Gigaset.
Waiting for a new spirit in the Jolla team.
Manufacturers who sell in the EU and other aligned markets will also be affected by the new EU ‘Right to Repair’ legislation, so I have no doubt greater sustainability and repairability will become not only a legal requirement but also a selling point to push that manufacturer’s environmental credentials. This approach would not be a bad one for Jolla if they could get in on the game early enough to become a ‘known leader’ in the field (yes, I know this is not going to happen!).
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Would the performance on the FairPhone be that much worse than Xperia ? Camera maybe but the camera performance is still mediocre at best at the moment.
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I would never, ever buy this sony xa2 for android, but i must now - to have a running SailfishOS on the phone. After a while i compiled a lot of native stuff on the phone, but i need also the aliendalvik. The Fairphone is more expensive, i do not know, if people care about? I can only talk to myself, but a working Sailfish-phone with changeable battery and waterproof sounds like dream.
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I’m sorry if my replies tipped people off in the wrong way.
The discussions seems to be headed now into a direction with more signal than noise, I will stay out of this now 
I did mostly respond to the emotional frustrations in the initial post. I do see an endless stream of people posting here with all their frustrations, and I just don’t understand all that noise. Though I can understand it if someone is new here and doesn’t know much better.
Really, people pay 50 Euro for a software license, and think they get to tell how a multi-million dollar company has to be steered. It just doesn’t work that way. And there is too much of this toxicity in the Linux community.
I will stay out of this topic now.
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No need to apologise, perhaps my initial post concentrated too much on the negatives but really I want to get to a point of positives.
I want SF to work and be a viable option,I would not be here on my 3rd licence (I break phones!) if I did not.
I think it should be OK to be constructive and be able ask why we are in this situation with so many frustrated users and perhaps to me a narrowing outlook.
I think you are right in saying that ‘who am I to give direction to the company’ and it sounds so simple to just use Fairphone. The real reasons and the details are of course more complicated.
Maybe if I rephrased my initial post:
- How can Jolla get to a long term stable hardware base. It feels like the ever changing Xperia X direction is introducing alot of bugs an ruining the user experience whilst adding more work to a limited development team.
Would Fairphone which has a longer term more stable hardware support be a more viable option for full Sailfish + Alien Dalvik ? - Do we know why this is not the case ?
- Do we thing this is a better direction ?
- If so how do we influence this ?
@not_just_a_username if a community port is enough, take a look here.
mal will also Support FP3 (as you can see later on the thread 
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But remember no Android support and other foreign licenced Software on the community port!
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good spot, although a bad name for that thread, many ppl search fairphone forums for fp3 and sfos and cannot find that info!
Hi, as mentioned in an earlier comment I have been working on community port of Sailfish OS for Fairphone 3 and it has almost no known issues but I haven’t yet released it to public. Only some final testing remains to be done but I haven’t had time to do that.
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A community port of FPOS is great however I require Dalvik to keep up to date. Banking app, Dutch government “Digid” for all things government related, messaging app (Signal but this has a port in beta). Without these I will need a 2nd phone which is beside the point of this.
There are several discussions/requests e.g. here from community asking Jolla to sell licences to unsupported devices with limited liability? I guess FP ports should be able to use such licence if it ever happen.
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