[Strategies] Bringing more sailors to SFOS

where did you see the word “android” in my previous post? But anyway yes, these device I mentioned are Android. But I also mentioned that any device I owned has no problems.

from all these things you reported. There’s literally none, zero, null, that make the basic phone functionality useless. I’m talking about

  • calling
  • sms
  • using browser
    there’s also not one with a problem of loosing audio yet, there’s however issues with volume too loud.

Actually from that list the only real problems except of the normal bias are:

  • recording long video overheats phone
  • overheating
  • ldac issues
  • green line on display

The rest is just everything and nothing and all this still doesn’t prevent from using the phone basic functionality.

That was just first page, so posts from last 24h, if you go for a fishing expedition for older posts with issues you will find those too, I mean you included a bug that happens twice a year as a showstopper, which could easily be network operator issue, then this imagined android that has prime-time ready features like sms tones per sim which are not there. Reality is all phones have issues, the real dealbreaker for most users is lack of spying software (fb, whatsapps, messengers, insta the list goes on), android users accept having to restart the phone regularly as a norm (my friend was so tired of manually killing apps so the phone behaved normally he just bought one with more ram, and it still happens)

there’s a lot of related issues to network problems, that one is a generic umbrella point.

Wanna sshot or what? As I said I wasn’t sure in the beginning so I did check one I had opportunity I gave the exact phone model/brand and Android version.

true

no, the reality is that you want a reliable phone that will be always ready to make a call and not forcing you to do some dancing with it. Lack of spying software is a second thing.

which ones? I don’t know any Android user that would accept this and honestly I didn’t hear that someone would be rebooting there phone daily for long time ago. True it was a problem, but it’s a problem of the past. I can tell you that my company phone wasn’t rebooted for a month. It just works and I didn’t reboot it month ago. It just died because I forgot to charge it, previously it was something like month also.

are we talking about playing with apps or using phone as a phone? Now you’re changing topic. I never mentioned anything about using apps.
I care only about:
call, sms, mms, browser
The list is short.

Then you need a dumbphone, as android with any of the popular spyware gets bloated and requires frequent restarts, recommend dumphones to people then

Exactly what would help to convince people they have to stop with all that crap.
If you have the article link, please share.
We have to make a links bank with all of these articles.
I am sure anyone receiving loads of such articles all at once could not continue to deny.
They would realize that’s not what they want.

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Here it is:

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it doesn’t. I told you. Maybe some crapware like Xiaomi does but Motorola, Samsung etc doesn’t.

Bloatware pushes the Galaxy S23 Android OS to an incredible 60GB
Samsung’s Android build is 4x bigger than Google’s—twice the size of Windows 11.

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can It still work as a phone or not?
Most people doesn’t care.
@ric9k explained this in nice way. People want working phones. They’re not technical enough to understand the limitations, and other problems.
They see this as:

  • does it work?
  • can I make calls?
  • camera works?
  • camera make good pictures?
  • can I install my favorite apps?
    They really don’t care if it’s 10GB, 60GB, or even 1TB. It works? ok, they buy it.
    It’s only a fraction of people who do care about these things. And those kind of people are already spread around projects like SFOS, LineageOS, UbuntuPhone, Librem, etc.

If you’re happy with restarting it regularly yeah, but enough OT and strawmanning vs imaginary android with no issues, do you have anything on topic to add? If not please start a separate thread

I don’t need to do it. TBH I have to constantly restart SFOS which is not my daily driver. And tbh this is the first phone I need to restart at least two times per day.

of course I had and I added this.

lol

and this is from a country right? How big is Samsung Android user base compared to SFOS?

The list goes on and on, calling issues, speaker issues, bluetooth issues… How can one recommend a samsung

Bumping on what was said earlier:
Hoping that there will be a “cool”, “easy”, up to date, full featured SFOS or other alternative OS and waiting for that day to try bringing people to it, leaves me few illusions.
As everything has a price, freedom/pricacy/openness too.

Either we pay the devs, or we do the efforts or we, at least, tolerate the gaps.

And the future “more sailors” will have to do so too.
In my case, I try try to include it to the argumentation. “There will be sweat, but it is worth it”.

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honestly I don’t wait for all the bugs being fixed. It’s impossible. But the basic functionality and feature should be there and working flawlessly. Right now the number of people here that have some problems is way to high. If the basics will be fixed - we can start inviting people.
Actually we should then already be on the level or ads probably.
But until then? I won’t be lying my colleagues. I already wrote how my conv with them looks like. And I won’t be suggesting software that’s not reliable and have problems with calls to non-tech people because then they will be on my back to fix problems for them.

Yes, I agree.
I always think people will have as few issues as I have but that might also not be the case.
edit: But my wife, which is anti-tech savvy, uses SFOS every day on an XA2 and we are still not divorced :yum:.

But yes, basics should work, at least.

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Taking the topic back on track, I wanted to add my thoughts on bringing more sailors to SFOS. My approach is to raise awareness of privacy. Most people need to realize how big tech companies operate and that users are not their customers. Still, the user’s data is instead a product they sell. Using their software, you accept their rules and consent to those actions. I enumerate various areas where their data might be sold, like localization, payments, address book, microphone input, photos, search keywords, and so on, and show the wrong direction we are sailing towards. You think nothing bad can happen, and you have nothing to hide? But there is a fragile line between what most people think of convenience and using that data to control people’s actions on the government level. The data is already there, and people are already used to having the app for everything. It is just a matter of using this data in a lousy direction. Most of the time, you will even consent and justify such an action because of another world crisis.

For those not convinced, there is also a nice french document about the China social credit system that is based on smartphones and spying on their users, based on china’s couple filming their life for a month. It shows the threats of smartphones nicely and what we should avoid not implementing a similar system. I recommend to watch it if you have not seen it already (machine english translation if pretty good btw). Ma femme a du crédit | Documentaire LCP - YouTube

So the question is, what can you do? Don’t use services you disagree with. It is a matter of convenience - it is more convenient to have google maps and search for a specific store in one application and see the current traffic. It is convenient to make a payment with a phone instead of a plastic card or money, and it is convenient to use WhatsApp for business contacts and Facebook to contact family. But when you stop for a moment, you realize you don’t need those services, and a world without them can go on. You can pay with a credit card and make internet payments on the pc. You can use an alternative mapping system and alternative IM like signal, sms, email, or your own XMPP server. You have to find the balance for yourself, how much of your privacy you can give up to accomplish daily tasks. And the proper justification is to break the monopoly and take control of customers/citizens with a smartphone, not to be so quickly possible just for our own good.

If someone realizes that, they will come back to you for themselves, and you are open to showing off and suggesting Sailfish OS. I have convinced a few people to Sailfish this way. However, of course, some of them went for google free AOSP alternatives like lineage, which is still better than using google services. Many people argue that Sailfish OS is not ready for general audience, but in my opinion, if you show people right motivation they will make up their minds for themselves.

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Same me…
I use SFOS long years.
Now I use multiboot on a Siemens GS5 with SFOS and UbuntuTouch.
Now, I use more UT and it get more my daily driver. Android works with Waydroid very well and my banking-app works. Much more devices are supportet with UT and I sell my new Xperia 10 IV, because I can not see a community port for SFOS on horizont.

Holy. Cow. Just. Holy. Cow.