I find such an attitude more than arrogant.
Why should Fairphone or whoever else choose Jolla and perhaps even invest in it, given its questionable success? Isn’t it rather Jolla that should take care of supporting more devices?
Now I’m waiting with bated breath for the ‘too less resources’ refrain, but slowly believing it’s really this way.
I think the topic was kind of about that Fairphones would be offered as pre flashed with SailfishOS. Or at least that how I have read the conversation. And to my acknowledge Jolla would need all drivers (blobs?) etc information from Fairphone, which are not published (at least to my acknowledge). And as the phones would/should be pre flashed with SailfishOS, Fairphone would need to pay license fee (or similar arrangement) to Jolla as most people would think it is weird first buy phone and then as for first thing buy separate license to be able to boot the phone. I don’t think the OS can be offered as free to use in phones like Fairphone by Jolla’s end. Just my two cents
I thought Fairphone discloses everything they are legally allowed to?
Nevertheless I think Jolla has to get the ball rolling.
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Behind your link they state that for example blobs can’t be used for commercial purposes. And I am not a expert even with everything they have published, is it enough to build fully supported OS on top of that? Of course they might be able to reach agreement and in that case I don’t think it is important who makes the first call. I just hope either one would make it 
And to my understanding there has been talks in the past but nobody know why it didn’t go anywhere. Maybe they could try again now that there is no more any connection to Russia.
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The problem is not that there is any connection to Russia or some other legal stuff. The Problem is:
Jolla need to invest resources to support Fairphones officially. Even there is a great working port by @mal out - they need to test everything, they need fix bugs, they need release AAS for it etc. So they need to invest resources (=money)
What would be the outcome for Jolla? How many people would buy Fairphone 5 or 6 or whatever and additional licence for SailfishOS ?
Would the income from the licences cover the money they invested?
I think the Problem is, that Fairphone also need to invest some money in such cooperation. But the amount of potential SailfishOS users is to small, that it would make sense for Fairphone to invest there. And Jolla alone can’t do anything on their on. So that is the Problem. It need to be cooperation. Between Fairphone and Jolla.
And what i hear a decade back (when Fairphone 2 was actual) they had couple of meetings together but couldn’t agree on investitions…
Its a dream to have fully supported OS on good Fairphone Hardware, but the last years shows us its not so easy…
By the way, i don’t know how the cooperation with Sony Open Device Program had looked like years before. I am pretty sure, Sony had not invested a single cent into Jolla…
If Jolla could agree the same way with Fairphone - it would be a dream!
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There is Fairphone, there is a port, so Jolla could grant download + installation of AD at own risk without any warranty for development/experimental purposes to the phone and lock licence to IMEI as always. (for the usual 50 or 25 Euro licence fee)
The same with all other ports, too.
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would be a dream, when it would be possible. We wait for such possibility for very long time.
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The only way forward is for jolla to invest in quality HW and get fix all the issues with SFOS. Not in other companies which don’t care for anything else than android.
And TBH i believe that fixing the issues with the OS will have benefits in their automotive and AI ventures.
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From my perspective it would be a very good first step.
I would even pay AD licences for a community port (with OTA updates?). So all on my own risk.
And if it works, it can be a good story without risk for anyone.
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Maybe we also should create a poll to find out how many would buy AAS Licence (without any warranty) to install on the Fairphone 4/5 or OnePlus 6/6T or whatever Port… And of course how much we would be ready to pay for it…
That would show the amount of potential clients
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Throw in the predictive text thingy and I’m in for 50 bucks. C’mon Jolla, do like the kids say and “Shut up and take my money!”
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I need to disagree here. I was one of the persons who said many times here: “You need Android - buy Android phone”. I got a big shitstorm for this comment, btw.
But on the other side we have the Problem, that we as community, SailfishOS Power-Users need a good Hardware to use and to develop on.
At the moment all the good Hardware to run SailfishOS on - are community Ports without official support.
Xperia 10 IV and V are still not out of the beta state and C2 is for many to lowspec to be usable.
So we have a problem, where Jolla is not able to deliver hardware, the community need.
Would it not be better to let the Porters do the job and release commercial parts (AAS in first place) for a licence fee?
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Big problem with ‘buy Android phone’ is, to use an A. phone, one has to go through the setup and registration and create a G++gle account. Otherwise the phone isn’t fully usable.
On the other hand, clean Android apps on Jolla Appsupport do simply run and that’s it. If an A. app doesn’t work on Appsupport, I personally suspect that the app wants to do nasty things, phone home or similar (unwanted) things. Therefore I feel the Appsupport limitations more as a spyware protection than as lack of compatibility.
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That is BS. It depends entirely on the Android distribution. Many ship with MicroG only.
Also - aren’t you all going off topic now?
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I disagree. From a developers POV its better to develop on slow specs to be forced to optimize as best as possible. So it will run also good on faster hardware with all benefits like more battery runtime…etc
@explit I agree, this would have been most future proof. Jolla missed an opportunity to coöperate with Fairphone. Now the latter works with e/foundation and they are even going to sell the new model to the US.
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@fingus i can understand that, but somehow the “the golden middle” should be met. From user point of view C2 is to slow and to lowspec, so its no fun to use. While it could be better programmed to feel not so slow, you can’t do anything abot bad and lowspec Hardware…
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