SFOS refactoring project (news thread)

robang74 has a point here. The recovery images are more than limited and in fact are buggy. i.e. the root password on sshd is wrong.

It would be nice to boot a somewhat powerful recovery with “fastboot boot” without the need to flash over boot_a/b. Or flash it to recovery_a/b and boot into it on demand. The having to find a matching recovery/boot and flash there and back for 10 II and 10 III is a real problem when people have to actually recover!

But the whole communication style is questionable for sure, i happen to know robang74 from another project where his technical excellence was massively overshadowed by the way he presents his work and tries to make his points.

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That was very interesting - would’ve loved to have seen the end.
They even had a “we’re back after the break” where they could’ve let you continue into.

the user you are trying to communicate with has been permanently banned

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Ah well, at least he posted at one time.
The forum seems very quiet from anyone in a position to provide info about SFOS from Jolla’s end.

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Jolla have had a kind of buyout by an original founder.
We didn’t get much pre-release info from them before because elements of the community just aren’t mature enough to handle it. Also, their AI device now has to compete with a phone that can find your keys.

robang was mentally unstable and threatened people. He’s the only person to ever be banned from the forums.

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You seem top know the reasons for the ban. Not knowing him well i feel sorry for him. But i don’t have the whole picture, maybe that would change my opinion

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I assume it’s because he threatened people (for the second time).

He seriously rubbed people up the wrong way eg he implied the unpaid developers here were lazy and was arrogant with them around Linux coding.
And so he was attacked a lot. Being attacked triggered his less-than-sane tendencies.

Ideally, someone would have coached him how to deal with this situation and maybe get him the mental health support he needed. I did try & help him but it was a major project and I’ve got my own time-consuming health issues.

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mmm, well, there have been others banned from the old forum tjc in the early days. But its generally very civilized in here, yeah :smiley:

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and also wrote:

He “threatened” people posting things like these (see the screenshot at the end of this comment) in the forum and he left the forum (my job is done here, message) when he decided that the idea of having a completely different approach to the boot image as independent way of dealing with any operative system based on Linux/Android (you can find the architecture in the slides on the SFSCON 2023 presentation). While the reasons of the ban remain unknown apart a comment form the new jolly company that was saying “not bringing any value here but just debates”. Which was true under some point of view because he never released the bootable image code nor any binary about that, just videos.

Considering these facts, we can agree that he made a devastating impact in this forum, in particular on those hoping that finally something real would have happened. But apart few user guides, documentation, slides, speech (video) and poem, nothing that people could make in run on their smartphones. After all, who would have dared to install a bootable image created by a “suspicious outsider” instead of a fully-fledged company? In his shoes, I would do the same thing: here the documentations, do by yourself. Let me guess, the SFOS’ rescue image SSH is still broken and the telnet IP address is still shown in such a small characters that cannot be read? Am I right?

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2 months later: Did someone order a sock puppet?

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No, it is not broken and IP address is legible but small.

Sorry, I will try again and be more precise. The SFOS rescue image offers a SSH service configuration and shows a telnet IP banner like it was doing when this photo has been taken? Am I right?

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Because the font SIZE of that banner is the same size as the “ciao ciao” that you probably missed in the RAF SFOS DEBUG banner screenshot above. On the left top. Please zoom in and confirm to me that the “crazy bastard” threatened the whole forum community by replacing the telnet IP banner with a “ciao ciao” which means “adios” in Spanish or “good bye” in English.

I have been sent here to take a look at his contribution after his account had been frozen and I still remember a shell script to produce an image from a text. Something that reminded me of the ASCII games on '90 consoles or the mu-cow banner on UNIX terminals…

cowsay "ciao ciao"
 ___________
< ciao ciao >
 -----------
        \   ^__^
         \  (oo)\_______
            (__)\       )\/\
                ||----w |
                ||     ||

Yah, I see why has been considered an outsider. He left behind the cowsay. Very suspicious, a real nerd would never have missed such a command and wrote a shell script, instead. Oops, I just noticed now that SFOS banner-display’s binary cannot show multiple-lines text…

…damn outsider, he always finds a good reason to stay outside the herd!

Can someone ban him again please?
His job is done as he said.

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Do you think that it makes sense developing a mobile OS for protecting the users privacy based on a potentially insecure software stack, partially closed source thus preventing that anyone can independently check for vulnerabilities, bugs and backdoors, based on a potentially factory compromised firmware and hardware like the explosive pagers case recently suggested, and relying over telecommunication networks that are likely under surveillance when not also compromised themselves in terms of software, firmware and hardware?

You might answer: we do what we can. Nice of you, almost.

Do you think that it makes sense developing a mobile OS for protecting the users privacy for letting people fully express their fundamental right of free-speech which is in place for saying what the status-quo would not like to listen but not to say anything disjoined from facts and reality AND at the same time asking for ban from the forum someone that replied to a specific comment which reports vague and potentially derogatory statements that people are likely to believe without any fact checking?

Do you see in this specific case, more a problem of incoherence OR a dual-standard issue OR a cancel-culture attitude OR a lack of moderation that allows people being involved in ideological wars, personal debates, strongly political biased activism, OR a combination of all of these elements that are driving people ignoring the content and facts but preferring behaving like “social animals” (Jeff Bezos citation) in a pack?

Just asking, a few questions that might seem outrageous here but in their fundamentals are as much old as the Galileo Galilei - father of the scientific empirical method which nowadays is generally known as learning by doing - trial for heresy. Eppur si muove! (cit.)

Feel free to not answer nor challenge yourselves with these questions as far as they make you feel uncomfortable. It’s your right to feel safe in your comfort zone and the best way to achieve this result is not to consider a threat, other people’s opinions especially those are based on verifiable facts while considering good-night fairy tales, all the others. Just a suggestion, as usual.

If you are still (or again) unemployed and have lots of time, I suggest you take a look at Nemo mobile.
They need your input there. Here your job is done as you said a few months ago.

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Define “threatened” please.

Oh no!

My experience is that the mental health topic is usually being brought up by people that are a bit, how to say, challenged by themselves.

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Literally threatened to kill people, with a displayed lack of sanity that is evident even here.
Whilst roughly half of people with schizophrenia are not dangerous, the other half do have a habit of hurting people.

For what it’s worth, I’m a psychotherapist with 25+ years clinical experience. Psychiatry doesn’t do many things I respect but they do have to deal with murderous schizophrenics on a regular basis.

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My experience is that people dismissing mental health problems as non-existent are plain ignorant.

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Only a small excerpt still exists, because I quoted it:

Many of his postings are gone due to the cool censoring functions “making this forum a heavenly place”-button (called “flagging”, but means “erasing after a while”).

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Please just stop it and dont waste your time for argues about some robgang guy as he saint or not is clearly not worth it.

But community is. Worth your time.
So spend it in more constructive way :slight_smile:

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