I wouldn’t call these devices “higher price”. Have you seen the prices of iPhones? They also make pretty nice phones that last a long time.
It is entirely possible that an Android browser will outperform the SFOS one at least a bit even on those old phones.
Developers have to eat somehow.
LineageOS is just an Android distribution - that’s not a fair comparison.
Aren’t the legacy licenses €25 now? That definitely isn’t a lot.
Sure you can. Find the appropriate thread and ask there. Be sure the include what you tried and where it doesn’t show an option to install.
Edit - sorry - read that backwards. Sailpipe specifically is only available for aarch64.
This devices (Sony) have higher price compared to devices with the same SoC - that’s what I mean. We are not talking about goldPhone (at least with higher price per GB of memory compared to price of gold - LTT did the comparison some time ago on YT).
Sony tho was always pricing their phones ,premium” - like 20-30% more compared to Motorola, Nothing, Xiaomi etc. without really that much of quality difference.
Currently for the price of Xperia 10 VII you can get a Pixel 9A, or go with Nothing 3A for about 100$ less and you still get better SoC (Snap 6 Gen 3 in Sony, Snap 7S Gen 3 in Nothing). There is stuff that you don’t get here like smaller screen, Jack 3,5 mm, microSD slot, but you get a better phone overall. IMO Sony was always shooting itself in the feet with pricing - kinda the reason why they needed to close Sony Mobile division.
Also let’s not go with economy of scale - Nothing is smaller company then Sony, Sony for sure can negotiate better prices for components.
Idk, maybe you are right here
Yeah, for 35 euro you can get a use XA2 Plus in Poland - I’m not earning in euro, we have PLN.
Also all of this to just not use the phone because still there will not be VoLTE any time soon for XA2+ & or any other really needed features - it will be a backup phone at best, testing for sure.
Because you decline to purchase an official licence and persist to install Waydroid? Or because you choose an old device with the wrong architecture? Please, be at least a bit coherent…
Also… How about cutting a relatively small team some slack? Sailfish is - in my view - the most promising shot we have at breaking the Android / iOS duopoly.
For that I am MORE than willing to accept that some things don’t work perfectly. For me it works more than good enough to be a daily driver. And the browser is being worked on, for most sites it is usable. That is good enough for me. And Android support fixes the rest. Sure I sometimes have to reboot the device. So what.
I used it on the C2 and an Xperia 10 IV and works nicely as a daily driver on both devices for almost two months now. Battery life is stellar on both. But if you are not willing to compromise at all, then maybe such alternative OS’s are not for you yet…
People just coming out of the brushwork and dropping demands left right and center, tsss…
Even if this AI generated… How about framing it as suggestions instead of demands.
You know… reading your reply… If you want that experience you should propably really just go with Android. Sailfish is (not yet) for you from all that I am reading here. Maybe it never will be.
I didn’t choose this device specifically - I had it available because my younger brother had it & upgraded the phone, so I got it just to mess with it - trying to make it work so it would not be an e-waste.
Official license doesn’t change the fact, that SailfishOS currently needs fixes. I can just switch it to LineageOS & use android apps. I don’t want to use SailfishOS to use android apps, because I can do this already. It’s what I cannot do on Android what matters.
Why would somebody want to use SailfishOS to run Android apps in the first place?
What’s the point in this?
Nothing is AI generated here, don’t be paranoid. The guy that responded to me tho clearly generated his post with AI.
I’m using Linux daily - don’t you teach me about compromises, okay?
Also I’m absolutely fine if something just doesn’t work (okay, as long as this is not a web browser, come on) - it’s few design aspects that I was questioning (I was wrongfully assuming that the browser issue was partly a design thing).
I’m not sure if Sailfish will be for me, or not - I just see a need for some improvements in few areas (besides the browser thing). That things are needed regardless of design so applications permissions settings (like flatseal on Linux), basic ,Firefox”, retirement of ,lock” button, privacy indicators, gestures to be modernised for bigger display.
I might end up being more in line with Plasma Mobile when it will be mature enough - it has some issues and it’s not yet available for my hardware.
Also - if you read my post as demands, then I suggest for you to disconnect from it emotionally. I even say in the title - In My Opinion. As opinions go - they are right, wrong but mostly - personal.
Got it?
Don’t defend SailfishOS like a religion. It’s an OS. Also the product.
If it does something wrong, then devs should just fix it - end of story. If it doesn’t, then no.
Also if you read the whole thread, then you probably noticed, that I assumed some stuff & I was wrong about it…
Also I’m really surprised that anyone replied to my, I was thinking that nobody will read it, but oh.
I made a little bit of drama… Time to be a drama queen. XD
The OS isn’t as mature as you might initially think.
It’s extremely difficult to read and follow your posts, so please be concise and don’t feel obligated to respond to every comment; it doesn’t help your issue.
The fact that rraggl’s response was AI-generated isn’t the point. In fact, it reflects what many of us do: use this OS as our daily driver, and we manage just fine.
Please don’t interpret my message as criticism or aggression, but as several of us have suggested: you’re probably right on several points, but if you don’t want to make compromises now or develop your own, perhaps you’ll find what you’re looking for with LineageOS, as you suggested.
Stay active on the forum in the meantime, observe, read, and see how things develop. If at some point you find the OS mature enough for your liking, come back.
Pay for the licence.
25eur is nothing, in Poland too.
And you can use the licence for other phone models later (10 II and 10 III).
AAS will not slow the XA2.
AAS is a feature of SFOS, its a way to complete its app offering.
I agree with you. I need more open source apps. Right now, it is lacking so bad, 90% of my apps are android. I wish we can somehow get other linux distro to work on it to expand it’s capabilities. I know it’s too much to ask for such a small dev team. Also I like how Jolla is smaller scale because if the company got too large, they attracted too much unwanted attention from the governmment and bad actors trying to hack our systems. Right now it is just a niche indie project that not too much people care to invest in any attacks of the userbase because it is almost non-existent. But because it is a small team, it is unable to become a powerhouse and thus trapping it in a perpetual cycle of being indie. But with the android app layer, the power is in the hands on the user now. That is, you have a CHOICE to chose to install it or not. And it is not FORCED on you, like big tech platforms.
Sure, nothing beyond the price really changed. I.e. it gets bound to a single phone - does it not?
I.e. to “use the [same] license for other phone models later” you’d have to ask for a license transfer when you were really just supposed to buy a new one.
Or maybe dont, cause likely then you are going to vocally complain that AAS on XA2 is on android 11 when you had Android 15 on your lovely Lineage OS …
Well, now that I found out that XA2+ user space is 32 bit & people are focusing on 64 bit buying SFOS for XA2+ has even less sense than before. It’s not my daily phone - Pixel 6A with GrapheneOS is.
All I wanted from this phone for now is to become a test phone, 3,5 mm jack audio streaming device or backup phone at best, so I would just connect the speakers & play music. But I need to find the player that works with YT reliably without AAS (without adds, just like newpipe).
Well… TOH with Jack doesn’t actually sound that good - not enough of thickness for a jack in just a back cover. Sadge. I hate this amount of compromises… If only somebody made a small phone with replaceable battery, not crap SOC and Jack/microSD… Like a new XA2…
Sony is kinda close, but that SoC is garbage in this price. Also no SFOS as for now. Aaaaah
Check the TOH thread! There has been AI generated idea photos. Basically if i remember correctly the back cover would be at the level of camera pump and then Jack part would be just little bit thicker. Didn’t seem so bad.
Smaller phones won’t probably happen with off the shelf parts if mainstream manufacturers don’t want to start making smaller phones
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