Regarding secure messaging, calendar, contacts, drive

Hello everyone!

For several months now, I haven’t been able to sync my emails, calendar, and contacts with Hotmail. Unfortunately, I’m now using Outlook on Android for this. Therefore, I’ve decided to switch providers.

I’m looking for a provider who can securely supply email, calendar, contacts, and drive storage. (I have MS accounts to transfer, as I can’t seem to sync my drive, calendar…)
There are many options available, but it’s important to read the fine print to identify compatibility issues… (Proton, Mailfence, Infomaniak, …)

My current choice is leaning towards Infomaniak because it’s supposedly compatible with IMAP, CalDAV, and CardAV, but I don’t think it’s compatible with the drive they offer… kDrive.
The only mention of this drive in the forum dates back to 5 days ago by ric9k in the pre-order campaign thread.

My first question is simple:
Has anyone ever tried syncing their drive? (And how, if possible?)

My second question:
Given the large number of providers, which one would you choose in my situation? (With the simple condition that the services work easily and intuitively with “this” built-in software.)
A little bit of reasoning would help! :slight_smile:

Looking forward to your replies to help me make my choice! :slight_smile:

Edit: I’m also looking at how Nextcloud works; it’s not impossible that one day I’ll create a small server at home with a Raspberry Pi, especially for drive functions, provided it’s easy to implement.

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I think Nextcloud is an excellent solution for everything except eMail. Depending on where you are from (our which countries you trust) you may also consider using a Nextcloud from a professional hoster that offers this service.

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Hello Williamb,
I can share my humble experience of migrating from Android to SFOS.
I have my personal email at Disroot.org, they offer a cloud service (calendar, contacts, notes, etc.) with CardDav/CalDav via Nextcloud. I can use the emails but I can’t synchronize the other services. However, I looked for a solution with them. I think there is a problem with the server access address.
I ended up getting an account with Zaclys (France), which also offers a small amount of server space via Nextcloud, and the CardDav/CalDav synchronization works very well.
I don’t understand why I can’t get it to work with Disroot…
I also tried to synchronize with a family server (Synology) that is WebDav compatible, but again, I couldn’t synchronize or access it from SFOS.
I had no problems synchronizing my IMAP email accounts (free, Gandi, Disroot).

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In Germany, the email providers mailbox.org and posteo.de have a good reputation regarding privacy, and offer good service for not too much money. The former works great with the SFOS mail client (imap). I linked my domain with the service, so all family members got a nice matching email adress.

For calendar, contacts, notes and files we are using a self-hosted Nextcloud with the same domain.

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I recently moved my ‘work’ email to the €1 / month mailbox.org plan (from e.email / murena.com). They provide everything you are looking for, though I only use them for email, and occasional file storage: I use free hosted NextCloud accounts for Calendar, Contacts, Notes and file / document storage. The NextCloud providers I use are OwnDrive.com and TheGood.cloud.

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I have used Murena’s free service for a long time. Now I’m self-hosting most of the services with YunoHost.

Although my mails are still managed by Infomaniak and have access to kdrive. As it’s a branded Nextcloud, various functionality works normally. For instance, you can connect to your kdrive using WebDAV and later sync on Sailfish with rsync or with davfs.

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Not only in Germany! Esp. mailbox.org is well-known. FWIW, I used posteo for many years under SFOS, no problems, but nowadays I’d recommend mailbox.org. They’re just that little bit better. Both have pretty good offers for €1/month.

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I cannot say about kDrive and their Calender/Contacts syncing (because I use different providers for those tasks), but Infomaniak Mail works perfectly fine with the Jolla Mail app. And I have a free account, so it also works if you don’t pay

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Thank you all for your feedback!!

I am trying to collect information on the different suppliers that you mentioned and summarize it in a summary table for the cheapest offers.

This will allow you to have a quick look at the different services offered, and to put them in front of people who are curious about this subject!

But firstly, I realize that Nextcloud is almost omnipresent among most providers, which confirms that the idea of ​​self-hosting a miniserver is not crazy… :slight_smile:

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Indeed! I host all my own services (bare metal up) and suggest that nextcloud is a good ‘catch all’ thing to host. You don’t need to go the whole distance with mail, too, but nextcloud covers a lot of ground. It does, however need care (about quarterly, couple of hours).

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I use posteo for mail, calendar and contacts and never had any problems under sfos

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Very interesting! If you have a moment, could you summarize what kind of maintenance needs to be done periodically?

And have you integrated it with a VPN, a UPS solution… or something else?

That’s something that interests me too. Main thing is having a look at updates of Nextcloud itself and the installed apps. But that doesn’t take several hours quarterly…

I have a dedicated proxmox machine rented from hetzner. Communication with nextcloud is via a caching proxy, just transport encryption. The nextcloud instance is a really lightweight (devuan lxc) container and the fronted caching proxy (haproxy + varnish) is a separate lxc container.

I’m a bit old fashioned and there’s a catch… So I do file system and database backups before doing an actual update. Also, the virtual machine nextcloud is running on cannot access the nextcloud repos directly, so I have to go through an extra step. I’m about to do an update, so I’ll check how long it really takes me. Probably more like 48 minutes once a quarter, but I prefer to err on the conservative side.

EDIT: ah, sigh. So, now that all photos are no longer loading (30.x → 31.0.12) looks like it could take a bit more time :slight_smile:

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This is just a first draft, feel free to correct me if you find any mistakes (I don’t know how to turn this into a tutorial so everyone can edit it…).

Edit: This might not be the best way to share a spreadsheet. If you have better ideas, I’m all ears! :slight_smile:

Nextcloud Mailbox Posteo Murena Owndrive Gandi Disroot Zaclys YunoHost Mailfence Infomaniak Proton
Economic model Subscription Subscription Subscription Subscription Subscription Subscription Donation Subscription Donation Subscription Subscription Subscription
Lower price (€) with email Free 1 1 Free Free 5,99 Free 1 Free Free Free Free
Location Home, VPS Germany Germany France and Germany Home, VPS France Netherlands France Home, VPS Belgian Swiss Swiss
Nb email accounts 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 0 1 1 1
Email type - Webmail, IMAP, POP3 IMAP, POP3 Webmail, IMAP, POP3, SMTP - Webmail, IMAP, POP3, SMTP Webmail, IMAP, POP3, SMTP, SMTPS Webmail, IMAPS, SMTPS, POPS Webmail, App Webmail, IMAP, POP, SMTP Webmail, app
Nb Alias - 3 2 - unlimited 7 0 1 10
Email storage 2 2 1 - 10 10GB 500MB 20GB 1GB
Attachment size limit 64MB 50MB 3GB 25MB
Drive memory - - 1GB - 1GB 2GB 500MB 15GB 5GB
Calendar Y Y « Limited access» Y Y Y Y Y Y
Adrress book Y Y « Limited access» Y Y Y Y Y
CalDav Y Y Y Y Y Y N
CarDav Y Y Y Y Y Y N
WebDav Y - Y Y Y N
Sync Y - Y Y Y Y App App
Forum Language Multi German, English German Multi French English French French Multi French English
VPN 1
Contry Nb 10
Security and Encryption TLS PGP 2FA TLS, OpenPGP, S/MIME, 2FA TLS, PGP, MIME TLS, MIME TLS, OpenPGP, E2EE, 2FA, SPF, DKIM SPF, DKIM, DMARC Y
Anonymous payment Y Y
Important points Light Support for 1€ users Too little information, or difficult to find Too little information, or difficult to find This involves creating a domain name. Some links are inaccessible, particularly the app explanations. Based on Nextcloud, native applications are available Based on Debian,/Nextcloud Mail & kDrive limited, no WebDAV on the free version No 2FA, No Cardav and Caldav, IMAP, SMTP
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I have a Disroot account and CalDav and CardDav works fine for me with Nextcloud integration. You have it synchronized with the Nextcloud integration, or with independent CardDav and CalDav integrations.

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mailbox.org has English Language forums at https://userforum-en.mailbox.org/

Murena

  • has multi-lingual forums
  • supports Webmail, IMAP, SMTP, (and probably POP3)
  • supports CalDAV, CardDAV, Sync (and maybe WebDAV) (it uses NextCoud, possible forked, usually one or two versions behind upstream)
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Hello, thank you for the good news.
For my part, I tried CalDav/CardDav independently and also as a Nextcloud account without success.
However, IMAP emails sync perfectly.
I would be very interested to know which server path you are using to connect.
When you say “Nextcloud integration,” do you mean a “Nextcloud account” in SFOS?

Yes, I mean a “Nextcloud account” in SFOS, here you can enable or disable the different types of synchronization. Attached are screenshots of my settings with the paths that work for me for CalDav and CardDav in Nextcloud account management.

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